Now That You See It

Now That You See It

By Pancho Gomez & Kim PaullBusinessEducationSelf-ImprovementManagement
Download on the App Store

Now That You See It episodes

  • How to Stop the Boom-Bust Change Cycle with Paradie Stewart

    Change rarely announces itself with fireworks. More often, it is a boring process. It's quiet. Almost like nothing is happening.

    In this conversation with Paradie Stewart, we talk about why real change tends to move at a pace that frustrates us, and why that frustration is often a sign you’re doing it right. We explore the tension between urgency and sustainability, how intensity can masquerade as progress, and why slowing down is sometimes the most disciplined move you can make.

    This episode is for anyone who feels behind, impatient, or tempted to overhaul their life for the tenth time. We’re less interested in hacks and more interested in what actually sticks, even when it doesn’t feel impressive in the moment.

    If you’ve ever wondered why lasting change feels underwhelming before it feels transformative, this one’s for you.

    Resources Mentioned & Recommended Reading / Listening

    • The Art of Wayfinding: Discover Your Inner Guide On & Off the Mat by Meadow DeVor
    • ⁠Positive Intelligence: How to Overcome Saboteurs in Coaching⁠
    • ⁠Internal Family Systems Therapy⁠
    • ⁠The Connection Between Heart Rate Variability and Mental Health
    1 hr 14 min
  • Making Peace With An Unfair World with Kisch Lenus

    We grow up with the narrative that if we follow the rules, we'll be rewarded. Go to school, work hard, check all the boxes, and things will turn out like they should. Then we're faced with the reality that sometimes the rules don’t work, the rewards never come, and the world isn't fair.

    In this episode, Pancho and Kim talk with Kish Lenus about bumping up against the “hidden rules” of schooling, work, systems, and success. Kish shares how he moved between cultures, expectations, and assumptions about effort and reward. He shares how his unique background shaped his path into community building and entrepreneurship. Along the way they explore entitlement, fairness, culture, and how resilience, adaptability, and community often matter more than rigid rule-following.

    This is a grounded take on what actually shapes success and meaning in a world that rarely makes sense the way we were told it would.

    We grow up with the narrative that if we follow the rules, we'll be rewarded. Go to school, work hard, check all the boxes, and things will turn out like they should. Then we're faced with the reality that sometimes the rules don’t work, the rewards never come, and the world isn't fair.

    In this episode, Pancho and Kim talk with Kish Lenus about bumping up against the “hidden rules” of schooling, work, systems, and success. Kish shares how he moved between cultures, expectations, and assumptions about effort and reward. He shares how his unique background shaped his path into community building and entrepreneurship. Along the way they explore entitlement, fairness, culture, and how resilience, adaptability, and community often matter more than rigid rule-following.

    This is a grounded take on what actually shapes success and meaning in a world that rarely makes sense the way we were told it would.

    Resources Mentioned and Recommended Reading/Listening

    • Thinking in Bets by Annie Duke
    • For more information on Inputs, Outputs, and Outcomes, see 23 Lessons from 2025, Modern Wisdom
    • The Knowledge Project #37: “Getting Better by Being Wrong” with Annie Duke
    • Absolute Success is Luck. Relative Success is Hard Work. by James Clear

    Kisch's Recommended Listening:

    • Jay-Z
    • Cleo Sol
    • Euro

    Kim's Recommended Listening:

    • Crimetown, the podcast on Rhode Islands mob
    • Art of Accomplishment podcast
    • Being Well podcast
    • Mind Pump podcast
    • Sault
    • Rosalia
    • Bad Bunny
    • Bon Iver
    • Jorja Smith
    • Jamila Woods

    Pancho's Recommended Listening:

    • Modern Wisdom podcast
    • Parra por Cuva
    • alt-j
    • Swimming Paul
    • Jamie xx
    1 hr 11 min
  • Adulting 102: In Defense of Being a Little Childish

    What if some of the behaviors we’re most eager to outgrow are actually the ones we need back?

    In this episode, Pancho and Kim explore what we label as “childish” and why curiosity, play, emotional honesty, and joy tend to get disciplined out of us over time. They unpack how social pressure teaches us to be polite instead of honest, agreeable instead of curious, and composed instead of alive.

    Drawing from psychology, lived experience, and a few uncomfortable truths, the conversation looks at what gets lost when adulthood becomes synonymous with restraint and self-censorship. What unlocks for us when we stop confusing maturity with emotional numbness?

    This is an opportunity to reframe. Acting like a child might not be regressing - it might be reclaiming the parts of ourselves that never needed fixing in the first place.

    Resources Mentioned / Recommended Reading and Listening

    • Raising an Emotionally Intelligent Child by John Gottman
    • Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents by Lindsay C. Gibson
    • The Whole-Brain Child by Daniel J. Siegel and Tina Payne Bryson
    • Paul Ekman’s research on emotional expression and cultural “display rules”
    • Self-Determination Theory by Edward Deci and Richard Ryan
    • Harvard Business Review: “Why Curiosity Matters More Than Ever”
    1 hr 17 min
  • Resolutions Reconsidered - What the Yogis Got Right

    Every January, we feel the cultural pressure to improve (or at least act like we will).

    We make promises. We set goals. We tell ourselves this year will be different. Our desires and aspirations are co-opted by the rush of everyone setting resolutions and by everyone who will take your money with the promise of helping you make them real this time.

    In this episode, Kim and Pancho slow the whole thing down and look at what actually happens when we set resolutions. Why do they so often slide into self-deception, quiet self-abandonment, or a weird performance of self-discipline? How can we pressure-test our resolutions?

    Kim and Pancho discuss priming and gratitude, the idea that discipline can create freedom, and what yoga philosophy offers when our goals resolutinos start to feel like they're not doing what they're supposed to. Anti-resolutions show up as a kind of grace period. This episode is a chance to notice what no longer fits before announcing what’s next.

    If January makes you weird about goals, or you’re tired of starting over, this episode offers a steadier way to make plans that don’t require lying to yourself.

    Resources Mentioned / Recommended Reading and Listening

    Everything Life Coaching (Lumia Podcast) - "The Science of Goal Setting (How Clear Plans Calm Anxiety and Create Change)"

    The Yamas and Niyamas by Deborah Adele

    The Heart of Yoga by T.K.V Desikachar

    The Huberman Lab - "The Science of Gratitude & How to Build a Gratitude Practice"

    1 hr 7 min
  • When They're a Jerk but You're Obviously Not - Brain Bugs & Being Human

    We’re quick to explain our own behavior with context and just as quick to explain other people’s behavior with character.

    In this episode, Pancho and Kim dig into a cognitive bias most of us are running without realizing it: the fundamental attribution error. It’s the mental shortcut that has us labeling other people as lazy, rude, careless, or difficult while giving ourselves a much more generous read of the situation.

    Using everyday examples, this conversation explores how and why we default to character judgments, what our brains are trying to protect us from, and how much nuance gets lost when we ignore context. The episode looks at how these attribution errors quietly shape relationships, conflict, communication, and self-perception.

    This isn’t about becoming nicer or more forgiving overnight. It’s about noticing the stories you tell about other people and yourself, and what changes when you slow that reflex down.

    If you’ve ever wondered why misunderstandings escalate so fast, or why empathy feels harder than it should, this episode offers a simple but uncomfortable reframe worth sitting with.

    1 hr 9 min
  • Adulting 101: How To Make Friends As A Grownup

    Adult friendships are harder than we expect, and no one really teaches us how to do them.

    In this episode, Pancho and Kim talk candidly about what it takes to build, maintain, and sometimes grieve friendships in adulthood. They explore why friendships fade, why friendship breakups are uniquely difficult, and how life transitions reshape who we can actually show up for.

    This isn’t about fixing your social life. It’s about context, loosening self-blame, and learning how to be a villager in a hyper-individualistic world.

    If adult friendship has felt confusing, lonely, or heavier than it used to be, this conversation offers a more honest way to think about it.

    Resources Mentioned We Should Get Together: The Secret to Cultivating Better Friendships by Kat Vellos - ⁠https://weshouldgettogether.com/⁠

    Friendship by David Whyte - ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scnhCFuWiI⁠

    Our Epidemic of Loneliness and Isolation - The U.S. Surgeon General’s Advisory on the Healing Effects of Social Connection and Community - ⁠https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/surgeon-general-social-connection-advisory.pdf

    1 hr 19 min
  • Generations Ago, Your Personality Formed: Judy Hu on Epigenetics and Inherited Pain

    What if the things you call your personality are actually unfinished survival strategies?

    In this episode, we sit down with Judy Hu, a licensed mental health counselor and boundary coach, to discuss trauma in context. Not just personal trauma, but cultural and inherited trauma that shapes how we relate, react, and protect ourselves.

    Judy unpacks why trauma often masquerades as personality, why boundaries are embodied and political, and how epigenetics helps explain reactions that feel bigger than the moment. We explore anger as a signal, grief as unfinished work, and what it means to move from fixing ourselves to understanding ourselves.

    If you’ve ever felt shame for responses that feel automatic and outsized, this episode offers a different frame.


    Resources Mentioned

    • Judy Hu's Book - https://theboundaryrevolution.com/my-book
    • Resmaa Menakem, My Grandmother’s Hands
    • Ingrid Clayton, Fawning
    • Louise Hay, You Can Heal Your Body
    • Ross Douthat, There’s a Simpler Explanation for the Rightward Shift of Young Men
    • Michael W. Green, Part 1: My Life Is a Lie
    1 hr 20 min
  • Breaking Open - Dan Walker on Embracing Complexity

    In this episode, Kim and Pancho sit down with Dan Walker to talk about justice, conflict, and what it actually takes to stay human inside complexity. They discuss the lived, evolving version of justice that forces us to hold contradictions as true, tolerate discomfort, and stay in relationship when it would be easier to collapse into certainty or people-pleasing.

    Dan shares how his experiences navigating legal systems, professional transitions, and romantic relationships have reshaped his understanding of right and wrong, conflict engagement versus conflict resolution, and why binary thinking keeps us stuck. Together, they explore emotional intelligence, distress tolerance, and the role community plays when old identities or relationships fall away. It’s a conversation about learning to stay present with tension, engage conflict without needing to “win,” and grow by holding more than one truth at the same time.

    1 hr 5 min
  • Just Make a Mark - Kiara Boston on Creativity

    Most people think creativity is a talent you either have or you don’t. Kaira Boston disagrees.

    In this episode, Kim and Pancho sit down with Kaira to talk about creativity as a life force - a way we process emotion, work with anxiety, and relate to ourselves when words stop working. They explore why creativity often shows up when we’re stuck, overwhelmed, or quietly unhappy, and how small, imperfect acts of self-expression can do more for our mental health than trying to think our way toward change.

    From why constraints actually help creativity, to why making the first mark matters more than making something we think is good, this conversation reframes creativity as accessible, practical, and deeply human. If you’ve ever felt blocked, restless, or disconnected from yourself, this episode offers a different way in.

    1 hr 7 min
  • Part 2: How To Kill Small Talk and Become Someone Worth Talking To

    If you’ve ever wondered why your conversations feel flat, it probably starts with the questions you ask.

    In this episode, Kim and Pancho dig into why advice is so fragile and why the real superpower, the one that actually changes your career and your relationships, is learning how to ask better questions. They break down how advice gets warped by the giver’s ego and worldview, why it rarely survives real-life change, and what happens when you stop chasing answers and start getting curious instead.

    From dismantling small talk to knowing when silence does more heavy lifting than words, they get into the mechanics of questions that actually open people up instead of steering them. If you want fewer canned answers and more honest conversations, this episode gives you the tools to start asking the questions that actually matter.

    46 min

About Now That You See It

From the publisher's feed

Kim Paull and Pancho Gomez are two curious, opinionated friends who love nothing more than to change their own minds. Now That You See It is a podcast about the moments when a belief shifts — and…