In this gripping first installment of a two-part series on "No Way, Jose!", host Jose Galison dives into the explosive new findings from Dr. Wendy Painting, renowned researcher of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Episode 540 unpacks the previously unreported claims of Richard Van Hazel, a convicted member of the Committee of The States conspiracy and a key figure in the Arizona Patriots, closely tied to Reverend Jack Oliphant. Van Hazel’s allegations, emerging from the shadows of Operation Clean Sweep—a precursor to PATCON and other nationwide probes into the extreme right—paint a startling picture. He claims Timothy McVeigh was deeply embedded with Oliphant and remnants of the 1980s Arizona Patriots, active into the 1990s, and that McVeigh attended paramilitary training camps in Texas and Arizona. Most shockingly, Van Hazel asserts the Murrah Building bombing plot was first conceived at the Texas site in 1992, and he was present when McVeigh discussed renting a moving truck with a white power movement organization.

Part One of this deep dive doesn’t stop there. Jose explores corroborating statements from Robert Millar, head of Elohim City, and Dennis Mahon, who independently back aspects of Van Hazel’s claims, adding weight to this unsettling narrative. The episode also introduces the enigmatic “JR,” an unindicted co-conspirator in the Committee of The States and a close associate of Oliphant, whose cryptic pre-bombing remarks about an undercover FBI informant named Robert Jacks raise chilling questions. With Dr. Painting’s meticulous research as the backbone, this episode of "No Way, Jose!" sets the stage for a riveting re-examination of one of America’s darkest tragedies, blending fresh revelations with the murky world of 1990s extremist networks. Tune in for a thought-provoking journey into the hidden layers of the OKC bombing saga.



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