What happens when race is treated as a side note in medicine, instead of a central part of how people move through the world?
In this episode of Off the Charts, Dr. Bobby Parmar sits down with Nneka Allen for a deeply personal and necessary conversation about race, medicine, Whiteness, anti-Blackness, and the lived experience of Black patients navigating healthcare systems that were not built with them in mind.
They begin with a question that is often avoided: why are people so uncomfortable talking about race, even when race clearly shapes outcomes, experiences, and access to care?
From there, the conversation moves through the history of slavery in Canada, the invention of Whiteness and Blackness as social constructs, the medical dehumanization of Black bodies, and the ways these histories continue to show up in modern healthcare.
Bobby and Nneka also discuss fibroids, pain treatment, maternal mortality, medical mistrust, weathering, microaggressions, race-conscious care, and what it means to move from bystanding to truth-telling.
This is not a conversation about blame for the sake of blame. It is a conversation about responsibility, awareness, history, and what clinicians need to understand if they are serious about providing better care.
Why race cannot be separated from conversations about medicine and healthcareHow Whiteness and Blackness were socially constructed, and why that history still mattersWhy Black patients often cannot “escape” race in healthcare settingsHow medical systems have historically dehumanized Black bodiesWhy Black women’s experiences with fibroids, pain, hysterectomy, and maternal care require more attentionWhat weathering means, and how chronic racist stress can affect healthWhy “microaggressions” may be better understood as racist abuseWhat institutional untrustworthiness means in healthcareWhy race-conscious care matters more than simply having a provider who looks like youThe difference between perpetrating, bystanding, truth-telling, and dissenting behaviors 00:00 — Opening: “Black people don’t have the luxury of escaping race”00:46 — Introducing Nneka Allen02:37 — Why people avoid talking about race05:29 — Slavery in Canada and the erasure of Black history07:34 — Non-Black people and the racial continuum08:19 — Why Black people can’t avoid race09:55 — Fibroids, Black women, and being treated as a footnote in medicine13:52 — Dr. Uché Blackstock, medical racism, and unequal care15:03 — Self-advocacy, alternative medicine, and distrust of the medical system19:08 — Medical experimentation, pain treatment, and maternal mortality20:29 — Chattel slavery and the dehumanization of Black bodies22:23 — The speculum, gynecology, and medical history23:13 — Slavery as an economic system26:16 — Storytelling, humanity, and listening differently28:42 — Community, survival, and collective care30:24 — The duty of non-Black clinicians31:39 — Weathering and the health effects of chronic racist stress32:49 — Microaggressions, racist abuse, and Ibram X. Kendi35:03 — Why minimizing racism causes harm36:30 — Nneka’s Substack and responding to racism38:15 — A bank incident and the cost of confronting racism42:22 — Diversity statements vs accountability43:58 — Does your doctor have to be Black?44:12 — What race-conscious care looks like48:30 — Medical distrust vs institutional untrustworthiness50:46 — Racism as behavior, not identity52:21 — Perpetrating, bystanding, truth-telling, and dissenting behaviors53:11 — Why silence is not neutral⚠️ This video is for educational and informational purposes only and is not medical advice. Always consult a qualified healthcare provider before starting or stopping medication.
Nneka Allen, The Empathy Agency
https://www.theempathyagency.ca/meet-the-founder
The Empathy Agency
https://www.theempathyagency.ca/
Ian Williams, Disorientation: Being Black in the World
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/671554/disorientation-by-ian-williams/9781039000247
Dr. Uché Blackstock, Legacy: A Black Physician Reckons with Racism in Medicine
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/705871/legacy-by-uche-blackstock-md/
Ibram X. Kendi, How to Be an Antiracist
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/564299/how-to-be-an-antiracist-by-ibram-x-kendi/
Audre Lorde, The Master’s Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master’s House
https://awpc.cattcenter.iastate.edu/communication/masters-tools-will-never-dismantle-masters-house-oct-29-1979
Canadian Museum for Human Rights, The story of Black slavery in Canadian history
https://humanrights.ca/story/story-black-slavery-canadian-history
The Underground Railroad in Canada
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/underground-railroad
Weathering hypothesis and racial health disparities
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10676285/
Race-conscious medicine
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7544456/
Institutional distrust and building institutional trustworthiness in healthcare
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7988507/
Canadian Human Rights Commission: About discrimination
https://www.chrc-ccdp.gc.ca/individuals/human-rights/about-discrimination
History of the speculum, J. Marion Sims, and medical experimentation on enslaved Black women
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/cancer-detectives-brief-history-speculum/
Racial disparities in uterine fibroids and hysterectomy
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3874080/
Racial disparities in pain treatment
https://www.aamc.org/news/how-we-fail-black-patients-pain
Black maternal mortality and pregnancy-related mortality disparities
https://projects.apnews.com/features/2023/from-birth-to-death/black-women-maternal-mortality-rate.html
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