In this fascinating bumper episode, cultural critic Olivia Laing and author Howard Cunnell talk about their latest books, how they write, their inspirations, what art means to them, the importance of water, Wilhelm Reich and masculinity among many other things...

As well as rich and in-depth conversation, Olivia and Howard go head to head in a war of the words, pitching Hadrien VII's "Quest For Corvo" against John Healey's "The Grass Arena" - but which one will win?

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