In this episode, Steve and Tananarive talk to producer Courtney Lee-Mitchell, who bought the rights to Octavia E. Butler's Kindred years ago and has helped shepherd it to television. Courtney talks about the process of getting Kindred made, from securing the rights to pitching to the road to production. Also: How showrunner Branden Jacobs-Jenkins decided to change some of the events in the novel. A must-listen for anyone interested in how a television show makes it to the air. 

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