This special episode of On TRAC(k) was recorded in person in New York City during the 2025 Knowledge Graph Conference. OriginTrail founders Branimir Rakic, Žiga Drev and Tomaž Levak are joined by internet pioneer Dr. Bob Metcalfe and host Jonathan DeYoung, and together they break down AI agents, network effects, real-world use cases for OriginTrail, and how this all fits into the “Metcalfe Convergence Phase.”

On TRAC(k) brings you all the latest and juiciest developments from the OriginTrail ecosystem and the Decentralized Knowledge Graph, aka the DKG. This episode of On TRAC(k) was hosted and edited by Jonathan DeYoung.

Follow OriginTrail on X (Twitter) at @origin_trail and NeuroWeb at @NeuroWebAI.

Join the OriginTrail Discord: https://discord.gg/ayxhC7sncf 

Episode chapters:

(00:00:00) Intro to the On TRAC(k) podcast and this month’s episode
(00:08:34) What we got right and wrong when we built the internet
(00:11:08) Unpacking the Metcalfe Convergence Phase
(00:14:57) Whatever happened to blockchain as a buzzword?
(00:21:05) How the DKG solves AI-related issues
(00:26:38) The convergence between data and AI training
(00:30:28) How bad knowledge is handled in the DKG
(00:33:15) Tackling real-world problems in supply chains and online content
(00:40:45) How to get involved with DKGcon 2025
(00:42:45) When will everyday people benefit from the DKG?
(00:46:00) Surprises with AI agents and OriginTrail

Welcome to On TRAC(k) – the official OriginTrail podcast, where we go straight to the source!

In this episode, we’re talking adoption milestones, new strategic partnerships, DKG V8 updates, and … a surprise guest appearance — Chris Rynning of AMYP, Porsche–Piëch family office! 

Get the inside scoop on how OriginTrail is scaling trust in Web3, AI, and beyond.

🌐 𝗙𝗼𝗹𝗹𝗼𝘄 𝗢𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗧𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗹 & 𝗷𝗼𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗺𝘂𝗻𝗶𝘁𝘆!

How do we build more reliable AI? Why have semantic tech and symbolic AI become even more important in the age of neural AI? How do Data Products (DPROD) and DKG paranets shape the future of decentralized knowledge? What role do GraphRAG and AI agents play in enabling a more verifiable and trustworthy AI?

Join Charles Ivie, Senior Graph Architect at AWS, Ben Clinch, Partner at Ortecha, Branimir Rakic, CTO of OriginTrail, and host Jonathan DeYoung as they dive into the details and explore how OriginTrail Decentralized Knowledge Graph (DKG) is paving the way for decentralized AI.

On TRAC(k) brings you all the latest and juiciest developments from the OriginTrail ecosystem and the Decentralized Knowledge Graph, aka the DKG. On TRAC(k) is presented by OriginTrail and hosted and edited by Jonathan DeYoung.

Follow OriginTrail on X (Twitter) at @origin_trail and NeuroWeb at @NeuroWebAI.

Join the OriginTrail Discord: https://discord.gg/ayxhC7sncf 

Episode chapters:

(00:00:00) Intro to the On TRAC(k) podcast and this month’s episode

(00:01:08) Ben’s, Charles' and Branimir’s background and AI focus

(00:11:07) Why Ben’s mind was blown at DKGcon

(00:15:55) Unpacking the power of knowledge graphs

(00:27:08) Why Amazon Neptune is so successful

(00:30:13) OriginTrail's Neptune integration updates

(00:32:35) Ortecha’s data solutions and AI

(00:35:28) What is the Data Product Ontology (DPROD) standard?

(00:41:08) Did the semantic web fail?

(00:45:48) Future of AI agents 

(00:48:54) How to get involved in OriginTrail's vision

(00:51:55) Final thoughts on AI safety and reliability

The AI revolution is here—but are we in control? In our latest On Track Podcast Special, we dive deep into the risks, opportunities, and the fight for a human-centric AI with top experts Fady Mansour from Ethical Capital Partners and Chris Rynning from AMYP Ventures Piëch-Porsche family office.

Is AI already outpacing human content? Can we stop the next digital trust crisis? Dive in and find out!

And don't forget - Stay curious. Stay informed. Stay On Trac(k)! 

This episode of On TRAC(k) dives into the transformative launch of the OriginTrail Decentralized Knowledge Graph (DKG) V8, a collective memory for AI agents and an updated roadmap. Join OriginTrail’s founders, Žiga, Tomaž, and Branimir, as they explore how the DKG empowers neuro-symbolic AI by merging symbolic AI’s precision with the power of decentralization to ensure data integrity, provenance, and user control.

Discover how the DKG supports AI agents in verifying and accessing diverse data sources while remaining compatible with existing standards and tools like ElizaOS. The discussion also touches on the role of decentralized AI in shaping a future where AI acts as "the" interface for innovation, converging AI, the Internet, and crypto.

On TRAC(k) brings you all the latest and juiciest developments from the OriginTrail ecosystem and the Decentralized Knowledge Graph, aka the DKG. On TRAC(k) is presented by OriginTrail and hosted and edited by Jonathan DeYoung.

Follow OriginTrail on X (Twitter) at @origin_trail and NeuroWeb at @NeuroWebAI.

Join the OriginTrail Discord: https://discord.gg/ayxhC7sncf 

Episode chapters:

(00:00:00) Intro to the On TRAC(k) podcast and this month's episode
(00:01:20) V8 launch and tuning phase updates
(00:09:57) OriginTrail's AI agent hackathon
(00:13:49) Decentralized Knowledge Graph is now mature
(00:18:36) What are AI agents, and why are they significant?
(00:23:22) AI agents vs. bots
(00:27:34) Collective memory for AI agents on the DKG
(00:34:44) AI agents will transact in knowledge
(00:36:26) OriginTrail 2025 use cases beyond AI agents
(00:42:25) DKG-powered robotics
(00:45:59) Will AI agent platforms run nodes?
(00:49:14) Do AI agents spend TRAC?
(00:49:54) Breaking down RFC-23
(00:50:53) Will DKG data be on Token Terminal?
(00:53:31) Will Trace Labs expand internationally?
(00:55:26) OriginTrail's vision for AI agent future
(00:57:51) Will OriginTrail create a plug-in for Virtuals?
(01:00:02) V8 roadmap: Next steps
(01:09:00) Addressing TRAC liquidity concerns

OriginTrail’s Žiga Drev and Branimir Rakić join host Jonathan DeYoung to dive into the recent Collective Neuro-Symbolic AI RFC, unpacking how Collective Neuro-Symbolic AI shapes a more reliable and verifiable AI landscape. They explore how the Decentralized Knowledge Graph (DKG) and NeuroWeb blockchain merge neural networks' creativity with symbolic AI’s precision for scalability and trust.

The group discusses the upcoming December DKG V8 Mainnet launch, the Collective Programmatic Treasury, which will incentivize builders and community engagement, and how these developments set the stage for an era of reliable, verifiable AI applications.

Episode chapters:

(00:00:00) Intro to the On TRAC(k) podcast and this month's episode
(00:02:39) Reflections on DKGcon 2024
(00:09:23) How OriginTrail V8 will grow adoption and strengthen the DKG
(00:19:31) Collective neuro-symbolic AI and how it improves artificial intelligence
(00:28:02) Real-world use cases for collective neuro-symbolic AI
(00:32:42) Collective Programmatic Treasury and economic incentives
(00:43:25) DKG Edge Node Inception Program
(00:45:41) OriginTrail V8 launch timeline
(00:53:54) What’s next for the NeuroWeb blockchain?
(00:59:13) DKG use cases for the financial industry

In this special episode of On TRAC(k), host Jonathan DeYoung is on the ground at DKGcon 2024 in Amsterdam to bring you a recap of the event and explore the conference's central themes in greater detail with several special guests, including:

Joe Vezzani, Co-Founder & CEO of LunarCrush
Seung Hyun Lee, Founder of CoinEasy
Charles Ivie, Senior Graph Architect at AWS Amazon Neptune
Amos Thomas, Web3/DKG Educator and Founder of Tracverse
Branimir Rakić, Founder & CTO of OriginTrail
Tomaž Levak, Founder of OriginTrail
Žiga Drev, Founder of OriginTrail

This episode unpacks the highlights of the conference, details on upcoming paranets, the future of the protocol's development, OriginTrail's growth in Korean markets, the power and importance of community, and so much more!

On TRAC(k) brings you all the latest and juiciest developments from the OriginTrail ecosystem and the Decentralized Knowledge Graph, aka the DKG. On TRAC(k) is presented by OriginTrail and hosted and edited by Jonathan DeYoung.

Follow OriginTrail on X (Twitter) at @origin_trail and NeuroWeb at @NeuroWebAI.

Join the OriginTrail Discord: https://discord.gg/wYfZA6CgTw

Episode chapters:

(00:00:00) Intro to the On TRAC(k) podcast and this month's episode
(00:01:50) Žiga Drev of OriginTrail on goals of DKGcon 2024
(00:05:07) Joe Vezzani of LunarCrush on his conference experience
(00:06:32) LunarCrush's upcoming social intelligence paranet
(00:10:41) CoinEasy's Seung Hyun "Jaden" Lee on expanding OriginTrail to Korea
(00:14:08) Amazon Web Services' Charles Ivie on bringing Amazon to the DKG
(00:18:43) Traverse's Amos Thomas on DKGcon's sense of community
(00:20:32) Amos on DKGcon 2024's builder workshops
(00:22:15) Traverse's upcoming content paranet
(00:26:12) The OriginTrail co-founders' thoughts on DKGcon 2024
(00:28:19) The importance of community
(00:32:40) How OriginTrail and the DKG bring people together
(00:37:50) Why Trace Labs is sharing its developer fund
(00:43:06) Thank yous and acknowledgments

The DKG V8 prototype has demonstrated the unprecedented scale at which the Verifiable Internet for AI can drive value for anyone, on any device, and on any chain.

Addressing sensitive data concerns, scalability, and AI challenges concurrently, the DKG V8 has successfully completed its first phase of development.

With it, the OriginTrail ecosystem has witnessed important advancements such as knowledge incentivization, stronger multichain support and cross-chain knowledge mining.

In this episode of the On Trac(k) podcast, OriginTrail's co-founder and CTO, Branimir Rakic, and Trace Labs' AI Lead, Marko Brkic, demonstrate the latest advancements in the DKG and how the new technology also tackles challenges associated with AI-generated videos at Internet scale.

Listen to this month's episode to learn more!

On TRAC(k) brings you all the latest and juiciest developments from the OriginTrail ecosystem and the Decentralized Knowledge Graph, aka the DKG. On Trac(k) is presented by OriginTrail and hosted and edited by Jonathan DeYoung.

Follow OriginTrail on X (Twitter) at @origin_trail and NeuroWeb at @NeuroWebAI.

Join the OriginTrail Discord: https://discord.gg/wYfZA6CgTw

Episode chapters:
(00:00:00) Intro to the On TRAC(k) podcast and this month's episode
(00:01:43) Introducing Trace Labs' AI Lead, Marko Brkic
(00:04:31) Recapping past two months: Polkabot IPO, Luigi chatbot, Base blockchain
(00:08:57) European railways and Digital Product Passport
(00:15:10) DKG's latest scalability updates
(00:20:32) OriginTrail's "internet scale" goals
(00:23:08) Update on ID Theory's upcoming DeSci paranet
(00:25:02) What 1 trillion Knowledge Assets will mean for ecosystem
(00:29:58) Addressing deepfakes + Edge Node, knowledge marketplace demo
(00:44:56) Will the DKG tell you if an image is a deepfake?
(00:48:42) Incentives for AI builders to use the DKG
(00:52:42) How running an Edge Node will work
(00:54:46) More on fighting deepfakes with OriginTrail
(00:59:42) Introducing Knowledge Collection UALs
(01:01:30) When will Edge Nodes go live?
(01:01:23) Will there be more documentation for paranets?
(01:04:49) Building a business on a paranet
(01:07:32) Multichain TRAC staking
(01:09:39) Batch-minting Knowledge Assets
(01:13:10) Scalability of the Base blockchain
(01:15:07) Size of batched Knowledge Assets

In June, Apple revealed a suite of highly anticipated AI features — including ChatGPT — that it will soon integrate into its devices. But not everyone was thrilled about the news.

While some observers were excited at the prospect of, for example, drawing math equations on an iPad that could then be solved by AI, billionaire tech mogul Elon Musk called Apple's inclusion of ChatGPT — which is developed by OpenAI, not Apple — an "unacceptable security violation". With this being just the latest in a series of similar news, the enormous amount of untapped private data is clearly the next frontier for AI growth.

With tangible utility in employing both crypto and AI in a plethora of industries, the OriginTrail ecosystem now gets ready for one giant leap forward as they prepare to launch the V8 of the Decentralized Knowledge Graph — a game changer in user-centric, privacy-preserving AI.

V8 will make it possible to use AI privately and seamlessly by anyone, on any device and any chain. The upgraded DKG V8 DePIN brings orders of magnitude higher scalability to ingest billions of user-owned knowledge assets through a vastly simplified user experience, enabling everyone to utilize and monetize their knowledge and AI through the DKG.

Listen to Episode 6 of the On Trac(k) podcast to learn more!

On TRAC(k) brings you all the latest and juiciest developments from the OriginTrail ecosystem and the Decentralized Knowledge Graph, aka the DKG. On TRAC(k) is presented by OriginTrail and hosted and edited by Jonathan DeYoung.

Follow OriginTrail on X (Twitter) at @origin_trail and NeuroWeb at @NeuroWebAI.

Join the OriginTrail Discord: https://discord.gg/wYfZA6CgTw 

Episode Chapters:
(00:00:00) Intro to the On TRAC(k) podcast
(00:01:36) Episode intro and updates
(00:06:14) Why we need privacy-preserving, user-friendly AI
(00:09:51) Private data is the next frontier for AI
(00:18:50) How OriginTrail V8 improves upon V6
(00:23:10) Introducing DKG Edge Nodes + live demo
(00:32:41) How OriginTrail V8 increases scalability and throughput
(00:43:04) OriginTrail V8 roadmap & timeline for Q3/Q4
(00:50:37) How will users pay to publish knowledge assets via Edge Nodes?
(00:55:07) Can devices automatically publish knowledge assets via Edge Nodes?
(00:58:40) Can anyone build Edge Node-based applications?
(01:02:44) What is the max throughput for OrginTrail V8?
(01:06:23) How is knowledge mining incentivized?
(01:09:11) Is OriginTrail coming to the Bitcoin blockchain?
(01:09:44) When will NeuroWeb be supported on the Polkadot Ledger app?
(01:10:17) Can the DKG help protect IP rights?
(01:12:38) How will vector embedding help the DRAG process?
(01:17:44) When will Branimir Rakic appear on the Lex Fridman Podcast?
(01:18:21) Any updates on the next DKGCon?

Metcalfe's law is one of the foundational principles of networks, helping explain the explosive growth of technologies such as the internet. For this special episode of the On TRAC(k) podcast, we are joined by Dr. Bob Metcalfe himself, the Turing award winner who invented Ethernet and came up with the namesake law. Together with Amos Thomas, the creator of Tracverse and a prolific DKG educator, and OriginTrail co-founder Branimir Rakic, we come to you live from New York City during the 2024 Knowledge Graph Conference.

A special episode requires special topics, and there is no shortage of those. We dig into what Metcalfe's law is exactly and what it means for the verifiable internet for AI, the significance of having a "truly open" artificial intelligence, and we spotlight some exciting OriginTrail use cases and adoption updates.

On TRAC(k) brings you all the latest and juiciest developments from the OriginTrail ecosystem and the Decentralized Knowledge Graph, aka the DKG. On TRAC(k) is presented by OriginTrail and hosted and edited by Jonathan DeYoung.


Follow OriginTrail on X (Twitter) at @origin_trail and NeuroWeb at @NeuroWebAI.

Join the OriginTrail Discord: https://discord.gg/wYfZA6CgTw


Episode Chapters:
(00:00:00) Intro to the On TRAC(k) podcast
(00:03:14) Knowledge Graph Conference (KGC) 2024 recap
(00:12:27) Breaking down the verifiable internet for AI
(00:18:30) What is retrieval-augmented generation (RAG) in AI?
(00:21:43) Metcalfe's law and its relevance for AI
(00:25:46) Metcalfe's law, network effects and OriginTrail
(00:29:53) Can knowledge graphs improve AI efficiency?
(00:34:16) What does it mean to have "truly open" AI?
(00:40:20) Impacts of AI-generated content on AI models
(00:46:43) Upcoming DeSci paranet + ChatDKG.ai launch
(00:49:22) What is the Tracverse storytelling project?
(00:56:12) How to build with ChatDKG and Tracverse
(00:58:16) European Commission-funded DMaaST initiative