One of us may be growing a baby but both of us are still figuring out how to grow around grief. In this episode, we catch up on Jill's third trimester—including her very on-brand babymoon in Hawaii—and talk about what it’s like preparing for new life while still carrying the absence of our brother Adam, something Holly didn’t have to navigate during her own pregnancy.

We also touch on the Knicks’ brief but incredibly long overdue playoff run (recorded in the blissful window before they lost), how siblings shape your whole identity, and why joy and grief seem to be on a shared custody schedule. Come for the baby updates, stay for the real talk.

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