OPB’s Conrad Wilson and Ryan Haas talk with Portland-based defense attorney Kevin Sali, who explains how defense attorneys go about trying to build a case for their clients when there is a mountain of documented evidence against them. Sali also explains why conspiracy charges are the “darling of the modern prosecutor’s nursery."

In the debut episode of This Land Is Our Land, OPB reporters Conrad Wilson, Amanda Peacher and former OPB reporter John Sepulvado take a closer look at the men and women charged with taking over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge earlier this year.

OPB's This Land Is Our Land covers the trial of Ammon Bundy and the other people charged with taking over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon earlier this year.