Open Mike Eagle isn’t just one thing. He’s been on tour and had his own Comedy Central show—proving that he transcends easy definitions. He’s a polymath, and follows his creativity wherever it takes him—even if that means talking about divorce and depression. Box him in at your peril.

In this episode of People’s Party with Talib Kweli, Kweli and Mike realize how much overlap their careers have had, and trade stories about everything from producers they’ve both worked with, to mutual friends, to their local rap scenes. They crack jokes and also wrestle with weighty issues—from mental health to career angst. 

This is an episode that defies definition in part because its guest defies definition. It will surprise you, make you laugh, and make you look at rap in unique ways. What more could you ask for?