On Triangulation, Denise Howell talks to Tom W. Bell, author of "Your Next Government?: From the Nation State to Stateless Nations," about a future of off-the-shelf governance and the open-source legal system Ulex.

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Host: Denise Howell

Guest: Tom W. Bell

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