Optimized Equine Podcast

In this conversation, Tamara Lee Barrett and her friend Rachel dive deep into the challenges many horse owners face when caught between old horsemanship methods and new approaches. Inspired by Piper Klemm's Facebook post, they explore that paralyzing feeling of knowing you should change something but not knowing how to execute it properly.The discussion covers the journey from casual horse experience to horse ownership, the overwhelming nature of social media horse content, and the inevitable ups and downs that come with developing a relationship with horses. Rachel shares her own experiences as a newer horse owner, including a memorable first ride attempt with her horse Sunny after a move, while Tamara reflects on her own evolution in horsemanship and the courage it takes to embrace being a beginner again.

Key Takeaways

The paralysis is real: Many horse people get stuck knowing something is "wrong" with their current approach but feeling too overwhelmed or clumsy to implement changes

Awkwardness is part of learning: That uncomfortable, clumsy feeling when trying new techniques is normal and necessary for growth

Cherry-picking methods can be dangerous: While it's natural to take pieces from different approaches, understanding the full context and system is important

Horses humble us in the best way: The ups and downs of working with horses teach us patience, flexibility, and acceptance

Different approaches suit different people: There's no shame in choosing a level of horsemanship that fits your lifestyle and goals

Having a mentor matters: Having someone to ask questions and provide guidance can prevent costly mistakes and reduce overwhelm

It's okay to have bad days: Both horses and humans have off days, and learning to accept and work with this is part of horsemanship

Chapter Breakdown

00:00 - Introduction

The inspiration from Piper Klemm's post and the paralyzing feeling of knowing you should change but not knowing how

01:40 - The Adult Horse Owner Journey

Rachel discusses growing up with casual horse exposure and the reality of finally owning a horse as an adult

02:45 - Equestrian Overwhelm

Discussion of how social media can create confusion and self-doubt

03:32 - The Clumsy Learning Phase

Tamara reflects on getting a taste of new methods but struggling with the awkward implementation phase

06:01 - Taking Pieces vs. Following Programs

The pros and cons of cherry-picking techniques from different trainers and methods

08:48 - The Butterfly Effect in Horsemanship

How changing one thing can affect everything else in ways you might not expect, and the importance of seeing the bigger picture

10:56 - Finding Balance and Critical Thinking

The challenge of getting help while maintaining independent thinking and staying open to feedback

12:47 - The Humbling Hills of Horsemanship

Coining the episode title and discussing how horses humble us through daily ups and downs

13:41 - Different Types of Riding

Contrasting approaches: making the horse do things vs. working with the horse's feedback

15:00 - Managing Expectations as a New Owner

Rachel's journey of adjusting expectations and finding joy in small accomplishments

17:05 - The Sunny Story

Rachel's experience trying to ride her horse immediately after moving him to a new location

19:25 - Learning from Mistakes Without Judgment

The importance of humor and learning from experiences without harsh self-criticism

22:03 - Effing Around and Finding Out

Discussion of how making mistakes teaches valuable lessons about both horse and rider

23:19 - Fear and Activation in Horsemanship

Tamara reflects on how fear and nervous system activation can lead to forceful handling

24:31 - Wrap Up

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In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, Tamara Lee Barrett shares her transformative journey away from traditional hunter-jumper training methods. She reveals how purchasing her young horse Barnaby unexpectedly sparked a profound philosophical shift, challenging her to question long-accepted practices in the equestrian world. Tamara thoughtfully contrasts her former approach—which prioritized obedience and compliance—with her current philosophy that emphasizes deep understanding of horses' mental and physical needs both in and out of the arena. She discusses the importance of movement in a horses day to day life, mindful training, and viewing horses as willing partners rather than merely compliant athletes. This reflective episode goes beyond technique to explore how personal growth and philosophical shifts can transform our relationships with horses and enrich their lives as much as ours.

Takeaways

Tamara's understanding of horsemanship has evolved significantly.

The journey of buying Barnaby marked a pivotal change in her life and career.

Groundwork is essential for preparing horses before riding.

Traditional training often overlooks the horse's mental processes.

Creating a harmonious relationship with horses is key.

Compassion and discipline can coexist in training.

Horses need to be comfortable in appropriate living situations that promote continuous movement.

Understanding a horse's perspective is crucial for effective training.

Chapters00:00 – Introduction & Purpose of Episode

Tamara welcomes listeners back and introduces the theme: how her horsemanship philosophy has evolved over the years—from training to life lessons.

01:17 – Beginnings in Hunter Jumpers

Tamara discusses her professional start in the hunter jumper discipline and the pivotal moment of buying her horse, Barnaby.

03:45 – Decision to Start Her Horse Herself

She explains the cultural norm of sending young horses to "cowboy" starters and why she chose to do it differently with Barnaby.

06:30 – Entry into Horsemanship Philosophy

Tamara describes how learning groundwork and horsemanship began to diverge from her traditional hunter jumper background.

08:45 – Realizing a Misalignment with Traditional Practices

She discusses the growing discomfort in her traditional role and the decision to leave her job and open her own barn, Oasis Equestrian (2015).

11:00 – Early Changes in Her Training Methods

Introduction of groundwork and a shift from compliance-focused training to more understanding-based interactions with horses.

13:30 – Rethinking Pressure and Obedience

Tamara contrasts old-school training techniques with her current focus on trust and communication, using specific training examples.

18:15 – Case Study: The Scary Jump Scenario

An in-depth example comparing her old and current approach when a horse is scared of a jump.

22:00 – Perceptions and Misunderstandings from Traditional Trainers

She addresses criticisms from the traditional world and emphasizes the long-term value of her methods.

24:30 – Balancing Obedience and Compassion

Discussion about the role of obedience in training and its place alongside empathy and trust.

27:00 – Acknowledging Different Goals in the Horse World

Tamara reflects on how not all horse people want the same things, and that’s okay—but she knows what works for her and her horses.

29:15 – The Cost of "Getting the Job Done"

Critique of performance-focused training that compromises the horse's well-being, mentally and physically.

31:45 – The Importance of Versatility and Investment

Tamara emphasizes the value of creating horses that are mentally invested and versatile, not just mechanically obedient.

34:00 – Transition to Working Equitation and Beyond

She begins to mention other disciplines she’s exploring, like working equitation, and how they align with her evolved philosophy.** Learn more about Tamara at ⁠⁠⁠tamaraleebarrett.com⁠⁠ ⁠**

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, Tamara Lee Barrett interviews Founder and President of the Arizona Endurance Riders Club, Lancette Koerner. Lancette shares her journey into the world of endurance riding, including her experiences with the challenging Tevis Cup in 2015 & 2024. They discuss the unique challenges of endurance rides, and the lessons learned from various horses. Lancette emphasizes the community aspect of endurance riding and her aspirations for the future, including sharing the sport with others and improving the endurance riding experience through technology.

Takeaways

Lancette Koerner has had a love for horses since childhood, but did not get her first horse - an untrained 9 month old BLM Mustang - until she was an adult.

Her first endurance ride was in 1996 on her Mustang, and she has since become a passionate and dedicated endurance rider.

Lancette emphasizes the importance of understanding each horse's individual needs and personalities.

Training for endurance rides involves a lot of preparation and understanding of the horse's capabilities.

Endurance riding is a family-friendly sport that welcomes riders of all ages.

The Tevis Cup is a challenging 100-mile ride that requires riders to complete it in 24 hours.

The challenges of the Tevis Cup include elevation changes, heat, and strict cutoff times.

Lancette has learned valuable lessons from her horses about communication and patience.

The endurance riding community is supportive and offers many resources for newcomers.

Lancette's long-term goals include exploring new trails across the country and sharing the sport with others.

**Learn more about Endurance riding at aerc.org or the Arizona Endurance Riders Club at azerc.org **

** Learn more about Tamara at ⁠⁠⁠tamaraleebarrett.com⁠⁠ ⁠**

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Endurance Riding and Personal Journey

04:33 The Role of Different Horses in Endurance

08:24 Understanding Endurance Riding

11:28 Challenges of the Tevis Cup

14:32 Training Strategies and Personal Experiences

17:25 The Importance of Horse Welfare

20:07 Navigating the Tevis Cup Challenges

34:19 Understanding Cutoff Times in Endurance Racing

36:57 The Journey of an Endurance Horse

38:43 Training Routines for Different Horses

42:55 Interpreting Horse Needs45:22 Skills and Areas for Improvement

47:17 Long-Term Goals in Endurance Riding

48:08 The Future of Endurance Riding

51:42 Managing Endurance Rides

53:33 Lessons from Horses Beyond Riding

56:57 Corner Turners in the Journey

01:00:13 Wishes for the Future of Endurance Riding

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, Tamara Lee Barrett speaks with McKrell Baier about the US Equestrian Society, its origins, and its significance in the equestrian community. They discuss the challenges faced by equestrians, the importance of unity and community, and the need for evolving ethical practices in horse sports. 

Takeaways

The US Equestrian Society was founded to address challenges in the equestrian community that are not being sufficiently addressed by other organizations.

Community and connection between the different sectors of the horse world are vital for the growth of equestrian sports.

Young riders should have more opportunities to develop and showcase their foundational skills as a prerequisite to higher performance.

There are many challenges and ethical concerns to address in rated, unrated and collegiate equestrian competitions.

Horse sport faces potential cancellation if ethical issues are not addressed.

Building bridges within the equestrian community is essential for progress.

The future of equestrian sports relies on ethical and systematic education, and the willingness of the community to come together for open-minded conversations.

** United States Equestrian Society’s mission is “To Serve as a Driving Force in the USA for the Regeneration of Ethical and Accessible Equestrian Ecosystems.”

Learn more about the curriculum, certifications, and Level Up Licensing Events at us-es.org and follow along on Instagram**

** Learn more about Tamara at ⁠⁠tamaraleebarrett.com⁠ ⁠**

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett sits down with international show jumper Vani Khosla. Vani shares her journey from a non-horse family to competing internationally at the highest levels of show jumping. She discusses her transition from the US to Europe, the differences in equestrian cultures, her approach to horse training, and the importance of developing both horses and riders. The conversation explores Vani's career progression, her goals, and her perspectives on the evolution of equestrian sports.

Takeaways

Vani Khosla started riding in a non-horse family and transitioned from barrel racing to show jumping.

The path to top-level competition involves gaining experience through junior and amateur levels.

Relocating to Europe provided Vani with a well rounded equestrian experience after beginning in the U.S.

Her riding style evolved to balance planning and mechanics with the feel of the horse's performance.

Vani emphasizes the importance of building relationships with her horses for better communication and performance.

Preparation for major shows involves tailored plans for each horse based on their needs.

Understanding horse behavior is crucial for effective training and competition preparation.

Vani believes in the importance of horse welfare and the need for education in the equestrian community.

** Follow Vani Khosla on Instagram **

** Learn more about Tamara at ⁠tamaraleebarrett.com ⁠**

Chapters

0:00 - Introduction 

1:13 - Early Riding Beginnings 

2:35 - Career Progression 

5:29 - Team USA Selection Process 

6:47 - Relocating to the Netherlands 

8:48 - Differences in European vs. US Equestrian Culture 

11:59 - Current Training Focus 

14:04 - Life Lessons from Horses 

15:41 - Preparing for Show Circuits 

18:05 - Understanding Horse Needs 

19:37 - Training Routine and Horse Care 

22:45 - Jumping Frequency and Horse Development 

26:14 - Future Show Plans 

28:17 - Short-Term and Long-Term Goals 

30:38 - Evolution of the Sport 

34:52 - Olympic Equestrian Sports 

42:06 - Career-Changing Horses 

44:27 - Final Thoughts and Wishes

Keywords: show jumping, equestrian sports, Vani Khosla, Team USA, horse training, riding techniques, horse welfare, competition preparation, equestrian culture, personal development

In this episode of the Optimized Equine podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett reflects on her experience attending the 5-star week at Thermal, a high-level hunter jumper show at Desert Int’l Horse Park. She shares insights about equine optimization she observed even at elite levels of competition.

Key Points:

• Tamara emphasizes that her observations comes from a place of love for the sport, not to cast it in a negative light

• She discusses the concept of "meaningless interactions" with horses and why all interactions should have purpose

• The importance of maintaining consistent dialogue with horses during all handling activities (grooming, tacking, leading, etc.)

• How small tensions and "withdrawals" from a horse's "account" accumulate into larger issues over time

• Strategies for making handling interactions more meaningful and beneficial

• The importance of supporting a resilient nervous system in horses

• The significance of balance, straightness, and proper biomechanics in lunging and daily handling

• She observes common issues in leading and bridling that create tension and crookedness

Tamara concludes that these optimization principles apply universally to all horse owners, whether they participate in competition or not, and are essential for horses' health, happiness, and longevity. She mentions she will be returning to Thermal for week 10 and looks forward to sharing more insights from her trip.

*Learn more about Tamara on⁠ Instagram⁠, ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠X⁠ and at ⁠tamaraleebarrett.com⁠*

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to the Experience

01:53 Optimizing Horse Interactions

03:14 Enhancing Horse Well-being

04:07 Meaningful Interactions with Horses

05:50 Understanding Horse Communication

08:13 Creating Positive Experiences

10:00 The Importance of Deposits and Withdrawals

11:35 Building a Resilient Nervous System

13:00 Pressure and Aids in Training

14:52 Balancing Performance and Relaxation

16:32 Lunging Techniques and Their Impact

17:16 Leading and Bridling Considerations

18:02 Conclusion and Future Insights

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett speaks with McKrell Baier, the Director of Bridge UP Giddy UP, and several students from the program. They discuss the origins of the program, its impact on the community, and the personal growth of the students involved. After meeting the students, the conversation highlights the importance of ethical horsemanship, the structured curriculum, and the future aspirations of the program to expand and promote equestrian education. The students share their experiences, emphasizing the transformative power of working with horses and the lessons learned beyond riding. 

Takeaways

The program aims to provide equestrian education and beyond to underserved communities.

Students are involved in an intensive year-round program that combines riding lessons with practical and theoretical knowledge for life in and out of the saddle.

The program emphasizes the importance of ethical treatment of horses and responsible horsemanship.

Students learn valuable life skills such as teamwork, communication, and emotional regulation through their interactions with horses.

The program aims to expand its reach and provide opportunities for more students to access equestrian education.

Community involvement is a key aspect of the program's mission and success.

The importance of lifelong learning in horsemanship is a central theme of the conversation.

The program seeks to change perceptions of equestrian sport by promoting ethical practices and transparency.

Students express how their experiences in the program have positively impacted their personal growth and confidence.

Chapters

00:00 The Bridge UP Giddy UP Story

04:36 The Structure and Commitment of the Program

07:04 Meet BridgeUP GiddyUP: Student Introductions and Experiences

22:11 Holistic Approach to Equestrian Education

26:42 The Lifelong Journey of Learning with Horses

27:40 The Importance of Breathing in Riding

29:06 Passion for the Process vs. Competition

30:37 Community Engagement and Equestrian Programs

32:29 Barriers to Accessible Equestrian Sport

35:47 Introducing Level Up Licensing Events

38:42 Equine Welfare and Competition Standards

42:20 Transparency in Equestrian Events

47:11 The Coexistence of Humans and Horses

49:36 Ecological Benefits of the Equestrian Lifestyle

50:40 Developing a Standardized Curriculum

53:43 Connecting with the Community and Future Plans

55:22 Tables Turned: Tamara’s Story

*You can follow and support Bridge UP Giddy UP on Instagram*

*United States Equestrian Society’s mission is “To Serve as a Driving Force in the USA for the Regeneration of Ethical and Accessible Equestrian Ecosystems.” Learn more about the curriculum, certifications, and Level Up Licensing Events at us-es.org*
*Learn more about Tamara on⁠ Instagram⁠, ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠X⁠ and at ⁠tamaraleebarrett.com⁠*

In this episode of theOptimized Equine Podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett is joined by Carl Paoli, an elite gymnast, movement specialist, author, and coach. They explore the concept of 'feel' in movement, the journey of writing his bookFreestyle, and the importance of deliberate practice in achieving optimal performance. The discussion also emphasizes the significance of emotional intelligence in coaching and training, and the intricate relationship between performance and personal growth.

Tamara and Carl discuss the evolution ofThe Freestyle Way podcast. They reflect on key moments, guests, and the deeper philosophy behind the show. Additionally, they discussCarl’s Corner Turners—a few of the pivotal people who have shaped his life’s trajectory. He highlights the profound impact these individuals have had on his values, philosophy, and personal growth, illustrating the power of meaningful relationships in shaping our paths.

You can learn more about Carl Paoli, and his book free+style atfreestyleconnection.com. Also find him onInstagram,X, and theFreestyle Way podcast!

Learn more about Tamara on Instagram,Facebook,X and attamaraleebarrett.com

Takeaways

Human performance starts with a feel, a connection to the moment.

Practice provides information about ourselves.

Mastering the basics is essential for optimal movement.

Deliberate practice requires an aware and conscious approach.

Self-reflection is crucial for personal growth and understanding.

Intuition plays a significant role in performance and coaching.

The journey of writing a book can be an exercise in self-discovery.

Engaging with material can lead to deeper understanding and adaptation.

Optimal movement involves getting out of our own way.  

Most of us operate unconsciously throughout the day.

Deliberate practice helps reprogram our reflexive selves.

Being fully present leads to the best outcomes.

Animals reflect our emotional state back to us.

Anxiety can be managed through physical awareness.

Emotional fitness is the capacity to translate feelings into action.

The dialogue with animals teaches us about connection.

Trusting your reflexes can lead to growth and improvement.

Being in the moment is crucial for personal development. 

The podcasting journey can evolve through various formats and directions.

Authenticity in content creation is crucial for genuine engagement.

Diverse conversations can introduce listeners to new perspectives and ideas.

Corner turners are pivotal moments or people that change our life trajectory.

Parenting offers profound insights into personal growth and connection.

The importance of letting go of outcomes in creative endeavors.

Engaging with different mediums can enhance self-expression.

Personal experiences shape our understanding of the world.

Connection with others is fundamental to personal development.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction 

01:57 How I met Carl Paoli

04:02 Exploring the Book 'Freestyle'

05:13 Discussing Feel and Movement

11:47 The Journey of Writing and Reflection

19:58 Optimal Movement and Intuition

27:57 Deliberate Practice vs. Feel

36:19 Navigating Reflexive and Voluntary Behavior

39:31 The Role of Deliberate Practice in Personal Growth

43:43 The Power of Presence in Coaching

47:48 Learning from Others: The Dialogue of Connection

51:41 Overcoming Anxiety Through Physical Awareness

56:38 Emotional Fitness: Transforming Feelings into Purposeful Action

01:11:02 The Evolution of the Freestyle Way Podcast

01:14:01 Exploring Diverse Perspectives Through Conversations

01:17:00 The Challenge of Authenticity in Content Creation

01:19:57 Corner Turners: People That Shape Our Lives

01:25:01 Parenting: A Transformative Experience

01:29:59 The Connection Between Horses, Parenting and Personal Growth

01:36:08 Where to find Carl Paoli

* Learn more about Tamara Lee Barrett on Instagram, Facebook and at bit.ly/OasisEq Dev Branham of Devereaux Sporthorses can be found on Instagram, Facebook, and at www.devereauxsporthorses.com *

In this episode of The Optimized Equine Podcast, Tamara Lee Barrett interviews Patrick King, a renowned horse trainer and clinician who promotes Classical Principles for Modern Riders. They discuss the concept of 'Corner Turners,’ the importance of athletic relaxation for horses and humans to become effective learners, and the horses' desire for leadership in many aspects of their lives. Patrick shares his journey through various influences in his career, including his transition from Western to Dressage training, and emphasizes the significance of collaboration and continuous learning. The conversation also touches on “The Masters” in horsemanship, the purpose of advanced movements, airs above of the ground, and the evolving relationship between horses and humans throughout time.

* Learn more about Tamara Lee Barrett on Instagram, Facebook and at bit.ly/OasisEq

Patrick King Horsemanship & Dressage can be found on Instagram, Facebook, and at www.pkhorsemanship.com and www.academyforclassicalhorsemanship.com *

Takeaways

Relaxation is essential for effective learning in horses.

Leadership in training requires a clear plan and agenda.

The horse's confidence as a learner is a trainer's primary responsibility.

Intent behind the training is crucial for inspiring horses.

Collaboration among professionals enhances learning and growth.

Teaching is an art that requires experimentation and adaptation.

Continuous improvement is vital in both horse training and personal development.

The relationship with horses is about mutual benefit and understanding.

Advanced movements in dressage serve to develop the horse's strength and balance.

The journey of horsemanship is ongoing and ever-evolving.

Chapters

00:00:35 Defining Corner Turners

00:01:40 Introduction to Patrick King

00:03:55 Defining Relaxation in Horse Training and Its Value

00:05:52 A Shift In The Horse Industry

00:06:45 The Importance of Leadership

00:09:54 How Your Horse Feels About Himself When He’s With You (Tom Curtin)

00:12:56 Patrick’s Western Roots and Discovering Ray Hunt

00:14:22 The First Day On The Ranch With Ray & Caroline

00:16:43 Making a Horse That’s Good For Us VS. Making Us Good For The Horse

00:19:22 Can You Pet The Horse For The Horse, Rather Than For You

00:20:25 Allowing The Horse To Present Their Anxiety Aids In Letting It Go

00:24:05 Another Corner Turner For Patrick

00:26:40 Honest, Open Dialogue: A Key Component To Horse & Human Relationships

00:27:38 professional or Professional?

00:30:19 Patrick’s Inspiring And Adaptable Teaching Techniques

00:33:40 Dressage Is For Everybody (And Patrick Walks The Walk!)

00:36:01 Patrick’s Evolving Social Media Presence

00:40:36 The Value Of Planting The Seed And Walking Away VS. Tending To The Seed Daily

00:42:30 Turning The Corner To Dressage

00:44:59 Mark Russel And Learning to BE Together, Not Just DOING Together.

00:46:51 Body Control For The Sake Of Body Control VS. Bringing Value To The Horses’ Mind & Body

00:50:01 Obedience VS. Acceptance: “Just Because You Can Put The Body In A Place Doesn’t Mean That They’re OK Being There.”

00:53:07 “Asking” Or “Telling” In Horse Training

00:56:39 Another Corner Turner: Charles de Kunffy

00:59:30 Riding A Horse To Soundness

01:02:58 Patrick’s Role As A Learner

01:05:25 The Muddy Middle

01:07:24 Evolution Beyond The Masters?

01:12:12 The Art Of Optimization In Horsemanship Is A Beautiful Thing

01:17:24 Horses Role In Human Evolution: “The World That Horse Is Helping Us Conquer Is The One That Lives Between Our Ears”

01:19:20 How To Connect with Patrick King Horsemanship & Dressage