Joanna Jewell returns for the second half of her interview about her conversion to Catholicism, the dark night of the soul that followed, and how espousing her heart to Jesus led to her purpose.

Joanna Jewell, host of the espouse My Heart podcast, joins the conversation with her conversion story from New Age and Wiccan practices to the Catholic faith. 

Actor, storyteller, and podcaster Stephen Tobolowsky (One Day at a Time, Groundhog Day) joins the conversation with tales of his adventures with God, the challenges of emoting via Zoom, and giving up fear in the face of the unprecedented calamities of 2020. 

In the second part of our interview with Logan Crow, executive director of The Frida Cinema, we discuss being empathic, the importance of therapy, and supporting what you love. 

Logan Crow, executive director of the Frida Cinema in Santa Ana, California, joins the conversation! In the first half of a two-part interview, Logan tells us about watching Blue Velvet at eleven-years-old, his favorite spiritual moments in film history, and the unexpected depth of Robocop. 

Ordinary Grace returns with the release of an interview from July 2019 with Matt Page of Bible Films Blog and the book The Bible Onscreen in the New Millennium. We discuss growing up Anglican, Charismatic Evangelicalism, as well as his eventual loss of faith. 

We also discuss biblical films, the ways in which Jesus is portrayed onscreen, and the horror elements of The Passion of the Christ. 

God bless you and your family in this difficult time. 

Jordan A. Rothacker, (@j_rothacker) author of the novel And Wind Will Wash Away, joins the conversation to discuss the beauty and implausibility of religion, growing up with mythology, and teaching religion while being a "hardline agnostic". 

Kathryn H. Ross (@storytellerkath), author of the upcoming collection Black Was Not a Label, joins the conversation for a discussion about her relationship with Father God, her storytelling and journaling process, and her experiences as a young black woman in America. Also, she reads her stunning flash fiction piece "Icarus". 

Ordinary Grace pays tribute to former guest Susan Pierce, who passed away after a long illness, on July 16th of this year. May her spirit and her legacy live on in those she loved and who will always love her.

Rest in Peace Susan Pierce 

1946 – 2019 

“Amazing Grace 2011” by Kevin MacLeod of incompetech.com 

Brilliant young poet Alyssa Matuchniak joins the conversation to discuss her multicultural, multi-faith upbringing, how that has affected her identity, and the value of being messy.