Ordinary Grace

Pastor’s kid, teacher, and rebel, the engaging Michael Dean Clark joins the conversation to discuss his Southern Baptist roots, his B-Boy and goth days, and Ralph Reed’s pancake makeup.

Christian pastor, former Buddhist priest, and all-around spiritual explorer Kenryu Jeffrey Binns joins the conversation to discuss following God’s path, learning stillness in the Eastern and Western traditions, and the call and challenge of the cross.

A conversation with Susan Pierce, English professor at Los Angeles Valley College, about the hollowing effect of advertising and consumer culture, as well as Tibetan Buddhist loving-kindness practice and the power of giving.

An interview with Pam Jones, author of Andermatt County: Two Parables about her Bible Students upbringing, Disney’s Hunchback of Notre Dame, and the gory deaths of Catholic martyrs. Click here to purchase Andermatt County: Two Parables

A conversation with Ryan Roach, co-host of Drunk Monkeys Radio (now Worth A Click), about his Baptist upbringing, current atheism, and the theological wisdom of Monica Lewinsky.

Writer and English Professor William Lemon joins the discussion with stories of growing up Mormon, psychedelics as a shortcut to spiritual experience, and what happens when capitalism overtakes religion.

An interview with Alex Schumacher, independent comics artist and creator of the comic strips Decades of (in)Experience and Mr. Butterchips. Alex speaks about his Jewish upbringing, falling away from the faith, and the spirituality inherent in the creative process.

An interview with poet Bill Lessard on the perfection of systems of belief, the deadening effect of advertisement, and the toxic binaries that are smothering debate in all areas of modern culture.

A very open, very weird interview with Scott Waldyn of Literary Orphans, in which we dig into paranormal lore, ufology, David Icke, and meditative practices.

In the premier episode of Ordinary Grace, Matt talks to Lise Quintana of Zoetic Press about the presence of God, living in the woods, melding Catholicism with Buddhism, and (of course) Jesus Christ Superstar. Come for the brilliant conversation, stay for the mental image of Mitch McConnell in a white sequin jumpsuit.