Who is a conservative and who is a radical in American politics right now? It’s not entirely clear when the Republican party has dramatically shifted its policies on tax, industry and trade.

Oren Cass has an important part in this identity shift, he is influential in the New Right, a movement that also counts JD Vance and Marco Rubio as important figures. 

Guest: Oren Cass, founder and chief economist of American Compass, author of The New Conservatives: Restoring America's Commitment to Family, Community, and Industry

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Geraldine: Why Empires Fall: Rome, America and the Future of the West, Peter Heather and John Rapley

Hamish: 'This Instability May Be Worth It. Here’s Why.' New York Times

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