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Beatrice speaks with Ruth Wilson Gilmore about how to understand the concept of "the state," the capitalist state's capacity of organized abandonment, and the extraction of time.

Transcript: https://www.deathpanel.net/transcripts/organized-abandonment-with-ruth-wilson-gilmore

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Ruth Wilson Gilmore is Professor of Earth and Environmental Sciences, and American Studies at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, where she is also Director of the Center for Place, Culture, and Politics.

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