A podcast about the messy, beautiful ways grown-ups grow up. Leaders, learning experts and developmental researchers come together to explore turning science into the day-to-day practice of adult development in teams, homes, organisations, and life. Dr Alis Anagnostakis is an adult development researcher, group learning facilitator and founder of the Vertical Development Institute. Her highest hope as a researcher-practitioner is to help support the growth of conscious, mature and future-fit leaders and to bring the tools of vertical development into day-to-day to day life.

The Work: Podcast for Explorers Blazing New Trails for the way we work. In this episode Joan Lurie, Founder and CEO of Orgonomics, speaks about how the systems lens can fundamentally shift the way we think about organisational change.

Joan Lurie is the CEO and founder of an organisation strategy and leadership development consultancy she established in 2008 to help leaders and organisations develop, perform and transform. Here she discusses such things as how organisations are complex systems, why individual behavioural/psychological and technical analysis of organisations can’t fully explain organisational dynamics, what the systems lens is, and why it matters. How the systems lens can relieve leaders of having to play the change agent hero or fixer, and why “breaking down silos” doesn’t work, and how the systems lens can enable better collaboration across boundaries.change we need to change our own mental maps and the way we frame our roles.

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In this podcast, Joan chats with Ali Juma, of The Inner Game of Change podcast, about how we can use her proprietary Orgonomics™ methodology to drive complex change.