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Recorded live at the Wildlands Festival in Big Sky, Montana on July 31, 2026 — six weeks before Cam Sholly announced he was stepping down as superintendent of Yellowstone National Park after nearly eight years.

Watch full interview: ExploreBigSky.com/episodes/CamSholly

Outlaw Beat host Joe Borden sits down with Sholly, PERC CEO Brian Yablonski, and Outlaw Partners founder Eric Ladd to talk about an eight-year partnership between the world's first national park and a Bozeman conservation think tank: the new international visitor fee, Yellowstone's $1.5 billion maintenance backlog, employee housing, the 2022 flood and the odd/even license plate plan, and PERC's work with ranchers on elk occupancy agreements, payment-for-presence programs, and virtual fencing.

Plus a live game with the audience about the worst decisions ever made in Yellowstone, and a disagreement about whether the Zone of Death is real.

PERC was the 2026 conservation partner for Wildlands, which has raised more than $3 million for conservation nonprofits.

Tags: Cam Sholly, Yellowstone National Park, Brian Yablonski, PERC, Property and Environment Research Center, Eric Ladd, Outlaw Partners, Wildlands Festival, Big Sky Montana, national park fees, Yellowstone flood 2022, virtual fencing, Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem, Outlaw BeatWILDLANDS PANEL 2026 INTROS

Wildlands returns this summer August 5th and 6th. Sign up for early ticket alerts at WildlandsMusic.com.

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Joe Borden and Flint Rasmussen are live from the Rocking R Bar in Bozeman, previewing No. 3 Montana State vs. Cal Poly on Halloween.

Watch the show: ExploreBigSky.com/episodes/bbs205

Keaton Gillogly, the voice of the Bobcats and 2024 Montana Sportscaster of the Year, on the 38-33 win over Weber State, why this defense leads the Big Sky in every major category, how he preps 18 radio stations' worth of Montana listeners, and the Vin Scully rule about radio versus television. Plus Spirit Squad head coach Nicola Norris — a former Oakland and Las Vegas Raiderette — on five years in the NFL and how she met Keaton at a minor league ballpark in Modesto.

Cheer's Brooklyn Griffin and dance's Maddyn Tyrrell teach the fight song motions and bring the push-up board, which Flint climbs at 58 years old. Warriors & Quiet Waters CEO Brian Gilman, a 27-year Marine, on what veterans lose after service and what to do beyond applauding. And K-SKY's Dave Wooten on Hollywood, Matlock, and the time he stood in Andy Griffith's shower.

Plus: Flint admits he personally caused Weber State's 100-yard kickoff return, the Blue & Gold Gala raised nearly $1 million, and after six weeks somebody finally puts the hat on the cat.

Bobcat Big Show returns November 19 before Cat-Griz.

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Joe Borden and Flint Rasmussen are live from the Rocking R Bar on Main Street in Bozeman for Parent & Family Weekend, previewing No. 3 Montana State against No. 22 Weber State.

Ken and Holly Eiden — parents of 2025 national champion Kenny Eiden IV — on a father who won 14 games in four years and a son who won 14 in one, the night Kenny laid every recruiting hat on the kitchen table, never missing a single game from kindergarten through college, and what nobody understands about being a football parent.

Watch it here: ExploreBigSky.com/episodes/bbs204

Matt Pierson of Producer Partnership on feeding Bobcat athletes 4,000 pounds of Montana beef, the state of ranching, and why the industry is too tired to advocate for itself. Austin O’Neill of the MSU Alumni Foundation on the Blue & Gold Gala, which raised over $650,000 last year — and on being a University of Idaho graduate three weeks after Idaho ended the streak.

Lyle Weese, the Dale Kennedy Director of Track & Field and Cross Country, on the steeplechase, why there’s no FCS in track, and sizing up Flint Rasmussen — who, it turns out, still holds a school record.

Plus actor Philip Winchester of Strike Back, Law & Order: SVU and Ransom Canyon, who grew up backstage at Montana State and makes one pick entirely in a British accent. And Put the Hat on the Cat with an 80th birthday contestant.

Bobcat Big Show is live at the Rocking R every Thursday before a home game, 6 to 7. Back October 29 before Cal Poly.

Bid on Blue Gold Gala auction items until 7:30pm Friday: https://e.givesmart.com/events/PJx/i/_All/#itemBswN

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How do religions of all stripes share one sacred space in a Montana ski town? Outlaw Beat host Joe Borden sits down in the Big Sky Chapel with Pastor Miriam Schmidt of All Saints in Big Sky, a shared Lutheran-Episcopal parish, and Rabbi Sonja Keren Pilz of Congregation Beth Shalom in Bozeman.

Full interview: https://www.explorebigsky.com/episodes/bigskychapel

They cover the history of Big Sky Chapel and why it has no permanent cross, the weekly “set change” between various worship services, and what it takes to lead Jewish worship outside a synagogue (including what a Torah scroll costs). Then it gets real: why Jesus isn’t part of Judaism, the biggest Christian misconception about the “Old Testament” God, whether Christians should try to convert Jews, and why a rabbi says she never feels fully safe at synagogue.

Plus Joe’s game “Is It Problematic?”, covering AI Jesus apps, AI-written sermons, Ten Commandments in public schools, “Judeo-Christian values,” megachurch private jets, Jewish jokes and God as “she.”

Interfaith dialogue, Christianity and Judaism, religion in Montana, Big Sky and Bozeman community: smart, funny and surprisingly candid.

See the Big Sky Chapel for yourself: BigSkyChapel.com

Worship with Pastor Miriam at All Saints: AllSaintsInBigSky.com

Or with Rabbi Sonja at Congregation Beth Shalom: BethShalomBozeman.org

And check out Montage Big Sky’s Holiday Market Nov. 27 through Jan. 2: Montage.com/BigSky.

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Ben Bese runs a Bozeman gym that doesn't behave like a gym. Ascend Movement Training blends powerlifting, mobility work and breathwork to help people get out of chronic pain and stay strong for life, and Ben is neither a personal trainer nor a physical therapist. He's somewhere in the middle, and he explains exactly where that line is.

Full interview: https://www.explorebigsky.com/episodes/ascend

In this episode: why cold plunging right after a strength workout may undo the work you just did, why you absolutely can build muscle after 60, what a chiropractic adjustment does and doesn't fix, and what Ben would tell the Silicon Valley guys injecting young blood to live forever. Plus, Joe asks whether his wife and co-host Michelle is slowly destroying her body by running every day, and then submits to a custom workout called "The Joe," which goes about as well as you'd expect.

Ben grew up near Melbourne, played semi-pro Australian rules football, and founded Ascend with his wife in 2019 after watching too many athletes get stuck with shoulders and backs that never healed. Ascend is now in the Story Mill area of Bozeman at: 

108 BRIDGER CENTER DRIVE BOZEMAN, MT 59715 SUITE C

Instagram: @ascend_movementtraining

Website: AscendMovementTraining.com

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Representative Ryan Zinke (MT-1) is leaving Congress in January. But before he goes, he's trying to pass a 430,000-acre public lands bill in the Blackfoot with an unbelievably broad coalition that includes loggers, environmentalists, motorcyclists, and outfitters. 

Congressman Zinke and Executive Director of Wild Montana John Todd join Joe Borden to break down the A River Runs Through It Act: what's actually in it, what each side gave up, who's still going to fight it, and whether a bill 20 years in the making can clear Congress in four months. 

Watch the full interview: https://www.explorebigsky.com/episodes/arrti

Also: the Muir-vs-Pinchot argument, the river that was too polluted to play itself on film, Griz vs. Cats in a split household, and a Brad Pitt trivia game that goes sideways fast. 

What’s at stake? Roughly 130,000 acres of new wilderness, including additions to the Bob Marshall, the Scapegoat and the Mission Mountains, plus Nevada Mountain — the first standalone wilderness designated in Montana since 1983. About 180,000 acres of forest restoration areas near Lincoln and Ovando. New recreation areas, permanent snowmobile access and an OHV loop. Release of roughly 23,000 acres of wilderness study areas. 

Here’s the link to learn more and show your support (don’t be afraid to call the Montana delegation and encourage them): ARiverRunsThroughIt.org 

Learn more about Wild Montana: WildMontana.org 

And come out for Big Sky Community Week Oct. 5–9! Visit BigSkyCommunityWeek.org to see the full schedule.

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Joe Borden and Flint Rasmussen are live from the Rocking R Bar in Bozeman for Homecoming week, previewing Montana State's Big Sky opener against Northern Arizona.

Watch it here: https://www.explorebigsky.com/episodes/bbs203

Senior associate athletic director Pete Heim on coming to Bozeman from Alabama, Duke, Tennessee and Arkansas, how Brent Vigen compares to Nick Saban and Mike Krzyzewski, the completed Bobcat Stadium feasibility study, alcohol sales, and why he says Montana State is "a wanted entity" nationally.

Dean of students Matt Caires on record enrollment of 17,470, life as a real-life Dean Wormer, and why he never sees Bobcat football players in his office. ASMSU president Ben Wilson and vice president Josey Blazer on the Greatest Show, the drone show, the Homecoming parade, a million-dollar student budget, and the spring they threw a Rail Jam with no rails.

First Security Bank president and CEO Kalli Ryti and marketing director Tyler Wheeler join the picks — Griz at UC Davis, Oregon at USC, and NAU at Montana State.

Plus Champ gets decorated like a homecoming float, Put the Hat on the Cat gets two contestants in Griz colors, and the Chug of Shame.

Bobcat Big Show is live at the Rocking R every Thursday before a home game, 6 to 7. Back October 22 before Weber State.

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Joe Borden and Flint Rasmussen are live from the Rocking R Bar on Main Street in Bozeman, previewing Montana State's Pack the Place in Pink game against Central Connecticut State.

Watch it here: https://www.explorebigsky.com/episodes/bbs202

Rick VanCleeve, 1976 national champion and chairman of the Bobcat Quarterback Club, on what he got paid to win a title, why the club's mission statement is four words, and the 15-0 vote to keep it. Bobcat Collective president Brandon VanCleeve announces the collective is merging into the Quarterback Club, and explains exactly where a donation lands.

Head coach Brittany Basye and captains Eva Heinz and Nora Seidl on winning the Yellowstone Intercollegiate by 15 strokes, a 62 at Riverside, a snapped driver, and a recruiting call from Austria by way of Tulsa. The tournament returns to Riverside Country Club Sept. 21-22.

Outlaw Realty's EJ Daws, son of 1975 All-American defensive end Brad Daws, on holding headset cords as a kid, Butch Damberger's sideline mishap, and why Pack the Place in Pink is personal. Plus $5,000 raised for breast cancer patients in Montana, Put the Hat on the Cat with Champ playing defense, score predictions and the Chug of Shame.

Bobcat Big Show is live at the Rocking R every Thursday before a home game, 6 to 7. Back Sept. 24 before Homecoming against Northern Arizona.

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Independent US Senate candidate Seth Bodnar joins Outlaw Beat to talk about the seat Steve Daines is leaving behind and doesn’t mince words about the way Daines is trying to hand it off… “It’s garbage.”

Bodnar is a West Point valedictorian, Rhodes and Truman scholar, former Green Beret, GE executive, and the former president of the University of Montana. He's running against Republican Kurt Alme, Democrat Alani Bankhead, and Libertarian Kyle Austin for an open Montana Senate seat — and he says he won't caucus with either party.

We get into public lands and why he calls himself a hell no on selling them, the Boundary Waters copper mine vote, the gutting of the Forest Service and BLM, Montana's teacher shortage and the schools staffing classrooms with teachers from the Philippines, housing and affordability in the least affordable state in the country, congressional stock trading, and what Jon Tester actually told him when he said he wanted to run as an Independent.

Then we make him take a position on issues both important and incredibly stupid… in eight words or less. You won’t believe where he stands on Q-tips!

Watch the full interview: ExploreBigSky.com/episodes/SethBodnar

Election Day: November 3. More at SethForMontana.com

And dust off your lederhosen for this year’s Big Sky Oktoberfest Sept 18-20! BigSkyOktoberfest.com/

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Joe Borden and Flint Rasmussen kick off the Bobcat Big Show live from the Rocking R Bar on Main Street in Bozeman, previewing Montana State's Gold Rush home opener against the Butler Bulldogs.

Head coach Brent Vigen on why his stars stayed, how he'd attack his own team, and a blunt message for fans who don't come back after halftime. Three members of the 1976 national championship team, Tom Powell, John Close and Bert Markovich, on Sonny Holland, the Hawaii trip, the team meeting after Fresno State that changed their season, and the parallels to the 2025 champs. Rocking R owner Mike Hope on the extra point that ended 41 years and the sport coats he bought the team for Washington DC. General manager Will Hope on championship night behind the bar. Plus the debut of “Put the Hat on the Cat,” score predictions, and the Chug of Shame.

Bobcat Big Show is live at the Rocking R Bar every Thursday before a home game at 6pm. Back September 17 before Central Connecticut State.

Support the team: MSUbobcats.com

And grab a Bobcat Collective cap while you enjoy a drink at Rocking R Bar: RockingRbar.com

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