In part 2 of our chat with Maria from Focus on the Family NZ we tackle the challenges parents face in the digital age, starting with the question of what to do when your child wants a phone. We discuss setting boundaries for children's device use and the impact of affordable technology leading to even toddlers having their own devices.

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0:00 - Coming up 
0:47 - What do you do when your child wants a phone?
3:08 - Boundaries for children's devices
4:30 - The affordability of devices has led to toddlers having devices
5:30 - The loss of landline phones
7:04 - Boredom is important
8:25 - The value of being still
10:19 - Advice for parents struggling to get kids off devices or social media
15:58 - TV is better for you than devices
16:40 - The negative side-effects of device use for children
18:00 - Instead of a device try this for your children
20:15 - A great resource 'Good Pictures Bad Pictures'
22:25 - If you're not sure if Brio Magazine is for your daughter
26:13 - Maria's testimony
31:20 - How is Maria living her faith outside of Sunday
35:45 - Next week

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In this episode, we introduce Maria Boddington from Focus on the Family and delve into her journey and insights. We start by learning about Maria's background before moving on to discuss Brio Magazine, a beautiful Christian magazine created to encourage and uplift young girls. 

Maria shares her personal experience with parenting in the digital age, specifically managing her children's use of social media. She provides advice on teaching children critical thinking skills and we discuss the importance of being wise with social media. Maria emphasizes that while it's important not to be afraid of social media, being proactive is key. Join us for a light and informative conversation filled with practical tips and heartfelt wisdom.

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0:00 - Coming up
0:43 - Intro
1:10 - About Maria
4:27 - All about Brio Magazine
12:31 - The benefits of hardcopy over digital
14:41 - Maria's experience parenting her children's use of social media
21:00 - Advice on teaching critical thinking for children
26:35 - Why we need to be wise with social media
28:03 - Don't be afraid, but be proactive with social media

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In the final instalment of our chat with Jenny Chapman, we dive deep into the complex and often controversial issues surrounding abortion. Jenny addresses the stigma of adoption, she challenges the 'clump of cells' argument and Jenny discusses her involvement with Voice for Life.

Jenny highlights the only place in New Zealand where abortion rates are declining and recounts her experiences standing outside her local Hospital with signs advocating for life.

The episode concludes with a discussion on the intrinsic link between being Pro-Life and Christian and Jenny reflects on her own faith journey.

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0:00 - Previously 
0:38 - Welcome 
0:53 - It's more shameful to give your child up for adoption than to abort it 
1:54 - The 'clump of cells' pro-abortion argument doesn't hold up
2:25 - Miscarriage and abortion 
3:06 - Hospital avoiding giving stats on abortion
3:44 - Ultrasound destroys the 'clump of cells' argument
4:41 - Voice for Life
5:00 - How do you feel about abortive mothers?
8:16 - Abortion coercion
10:30 - 1 in 5 pregnancies in New Zealand end in abortion
11:15 - The only place in New Zealand where abortion numbers are going down
11:43 - You will lose friends when you are in Pro-Life advocacy
12:20 - Being accountable only to God
12:36 - A medical fact that makes people angry
13:26 - Standing outside the Hospital with signs advocating for life
14:28 - Highlights of Jenny's Pro-Life work
15:14 - Helping a young homeless Mum to choose life
16:11 - Pro-Life is showing women they are capable of being a good Mum and supporting that Mum 
16:22 - Many successful people are born into poverty
17:18 - The gifts that people born with a disability can bring to the world
18:18 - Being Pro-Life and Christian go hand in hand
19:20 - 19-year-old pregnant from r*pe, kept baby
23:26 - Jenny shares about her faith journey
30:42 - Coming up next week

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In part 2 of our conversation with Jenny Chapman, we continue exploring her young daughter Tara's courageous battle with brain cancer. Starting with a re-telling of their shared vision of Heaven, we hear about Tara's miraculous recovery and the challenges she faced as her health and speech deteriorated before her passing.

Jenny shares how she drew courage from Tara's example, emphasizing that we don't get to decide what miracles look like, and how, despite our faith in God, suffering is an unavoidable part of life.

The conversation then shifts to Jenny's involvement in the New Zealand Pro-Life movement. She highlights the role of Pro-Life advocacy in protecting the elderly, disabled and terminally ill, and discusses the importance of a culture and community that values life.

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0:00 - Previously
0:32 - Intro
0:47 - A vision of Heaven
3:25 - Tara's condition and miraculous recovery
6:00 - The use of sign language as speech deteriorated
8:09 - The final days before Tara's death from Brain Cancer
10:30 - The parallel of birth and death
11:08 - Drawing courage from Tara's example
11:30 - We don't get to decide what the miracle looks like
13:57 - Just because we love God doesn't mean to get to avoid suffering
15:45 - What stands out most to Jenny from Tara's illness
19:12 - Jenny's involvement in the New Zealand Pro-Life movement
21:09 - Pro-Life is anti-suic*de
22:23 - The Pro-Life role to protect the disabled and terminally ill
24:19 - Taking care of the sick, elderly and dying
26:20 - Thou shalt not kill
27:03 - Culture says abortion is ok in these circumstances
27:47 - Does r*pe make abortion ok?
28:44 - Does being born into poverty make abortion ok?
29:42 - It's very cost-effective for the New Zealand government to abort babies in poor families
30:34 - How little encouragement it takes for a woman to keep her baby
31:53 - Do mental health problems make abortion ok?
32:56 - Abortion is no longer shameful, adoption is shameful
33:22 - Coming up next week

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In the first part of our chat with Jenny Chapman, we delve into the heart-wrenching journey of her daughter Tara's battle with a terminal illness. Jenny opens up about the moment they realised something was wrong, the urgent push for a MRI scan, and the devastating diagnosis that changed their lives. She shares how Tara faced her condition with remarkable strength, the impact on their family, and how they navigated treatment at Starship Hospital. Jenny also discusses the profound ways their faith sustained them, offering advice for parents in similar situations and reflecting on the concept of suffering in the Christian walk. You don't want to miss this deeply moving conversation... keep the tissues handy.

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0:00 - Coming up 
1:04 - Intro
1:20 - Welcome & About Jenny Chapman
2:20 - About Tara
3:58 - Noticing that something wasn't right with Tara
5:05 - Pushing for an urgent MRI scan
6:00 - Realising it's bad news
6:19 - "Our whole world changed"
8:20 - She was terminal, but well
9:22 - The best thing parents can do when their child is diagnosed with a terminal disease
10:44 - Moving the family to Starship Hospital
11:30 - Treatment for Brain Cancer
13:08 - Did Tara understand the seriousness of her condition?
15:53 - She was never scared of dying
18:16 - Tara fires her therapist
19:04 - How did the other kids process Tara's illness?
22:43 - Should we hold on to the belongings of someone who has passed?
23:37 - How was your relationship with the Lord while you were dealing with Tara's illness?
27:00 - Understanding 'suffering' in the Christian walk
29:43 - Keeping a record of precious moments
30:56 - Miraculous recovery
31:38 - Coming up next week

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In this episode, we continue our conversation with Liz Goodgame by talking about rebuilding her marriage through prayer, persistence, and fun. Liz shares who made the call to seek marriage counselling, we discuss the benefits of the strengths finder test and Liz shares about making the decision not to give up. We explore the significance of praying together and how Liz and her husband overcame a crisis of faith.

If you are in an abusive marriage, please seek immediate help and check out episode 22 'Should Wives Submit to their Husbands' available on Spotify and wherever you listen to podcasts.

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0:00 - Previously
0:41 - Intro
0:57 - Who made the call to go to a marriage counsellor 
1:51 - Personal growth helps in marriage
2:30 - The benefit of the strengths finder test
4:35 - Deciding not to give up
5:34 - Liz shares the bible verse that she clung to during this difficult season
6:45 - Struggling with 'people pleasing'
7:32 - Comparing marriage then to now
9:53 - Advice for those struggling in marriage
14:17 - Threatening my husband with marriage counselling 
15:29 - How to pray together in marriage
21:10 - Crisis of faith during a difficult season
27:00 - How are you living your faith outside of Sunday?
29:32 - Coming up next week

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In this episode, we sit down with Liz Goodgame to discuss life and the realities of Christian marriage. Liz shares about a dark period in her marriage when years of unspoken issues piled up, bringing them to a crisis point. Through prayer and their determination not to give up, Liz and her husband found healing after moving from the USA to New Zealand, embracing space and a slower pace. Join us for an encouraging conversation about faith, resilience, and overcoming marital struggles.

If you are in an abusive marriage, please seek immediate help and check out episode 22 'Should Wives Submit to their Husbands' available on Spotify and wherever you listen to podcasts. 

0:00 - Coming up
0:46 - Intro
1:01 - Welcome 
1:15 - Grey gals
2:10 - About Liz Goodgame
2:44 - Liz's testimony
6:35 - Meeting her husband
7:49 - Convincing our husbands to marry us
8:35 - Early years of marriage
11:35 - Marriage breakdown
12:00 - Deciding to come to New Zealand
13:40 - Are we going to make it?
15:09 - Time to start healing our marriage in New Zealand
15:57 - Doing things you enjoy 
16:49 - What did marriage look like in that difficult season?
20:29 - Christa's difficult marriage season
21:33 - Were you even friends?
22:32 - Coming together as a team in New Zealand and embracing space
23:45 - Busy-ness can subvert a marriage
24:35 - What was your relationship with the Lord like during that hard season?
27:31 - What saved your marriage?
29:04 - Coming up next week

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In the final chapter of our conversation with Rosie from Gloriavale, we delve into the reconciling of her faith outside of the abusive cult. Rosie details her intense emotional struggles, including daily panic attacks, and the liberating feeling of finally being free, a year after leaving Gloriavale. Rosie and Christa discuss the problematic teachings of Gloriavale, such as the stigmatization of grace and liberty, the unrealistic expectation of sinlessness, and the controversial belief that having fewer children is equivalent to killing future children.

The episode concludes with a message from Rosie to the New Zealand Christian community, a call to prayer and a look into how Rosie is currently living her faith outside of Sunday. 

0:00  - Previously 
1:03 - Intro 
1:20 - What was it like after leaving Gloriavale, in terms of your faith? - 
3:40 - Daily panic attacks 
5:41 - Finally free, a year after leaving the cult 
6:20 - Grace and Liberty looked down on in Gloriavale 
7:10 - "I'm a Christian now"
8:54 - Getting angry at God 
10:00 - Questioning everything
13:40 - If you only have 2 children you are killing future children
15:00 - God answered Rosie's prayer to not be deceived
15:41 - How does what is happening in Gloriavale reconcile with true Christianity?
16:30 - Did you recognise the leaders as false teachers?
20:54 - Leader went to prison for s*xual abuse
24:54 - Is the church of Acts attainable or are there lessons we can learn from Gloriavale?
29:45 - Cult leader thought he could be completely sinless and create a community without sin
32:28 - Has there been a response from the Christian community?
33:40 - Response from current Gloriavale leader to Escaping Utopia Documentary
35:02 - Message for the New Zealand Christian community
38:18 - Why did you decide to come on the Outside of Sunday podcast?
38:58 - How are you living your faith outside of Sunday?

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In part 2 of our conversation with Rosie from Gloriavale, we're diving deep into the truth of the practice of Christianity inside the reclusive sect.  Rosie bravely shares about knowing at an early age that there was something very wrong within the community.  In this episode, you will also hear about the key moment Rosie fully realised it was time to leave Gloriavale behind.

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Gloriavale is a reclusive and abusive 'Christian' community in the remote South Island of New Zealand. In the first part of our conversation with Rosanna Overcomer, who was born into the community, Rosie shares what her childhood looked like inside Gloriavale. We discuss schooling, play time and child labour. Rosie also shares her harrowing experience giving birth to 3 of her children inside Gloriavale, and she compares it with her experience, birthing 3 more children, outside of Gloriavale.

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