Outside Ourselves

In this live podcast from 1517's Here We Still Stand Conference, Kelsi talks with Pastor Adriel Sanchez about his new book, Why We Worship: Experiencing Heaven on Earth at Church.

Adriel Sanchez is senior minister at North Park Presbyterian Church in San Diego, California. He is also the host of the Core Christianity podcast with Sola Media, and author of Praying with Jesus: Getting to the Heart of the Lord's Prayer (New Growth Press 2024), and Why We Worship (IVP 2026). He has written for Christianity Today, Modern Reformation Magazine, Credo Magazine, Tabletalk Magazine, and Logos. Pastor Adriel lives with his wife and six children in Southern California.

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Kelsi chats with pastor and author, Steve Kruschel, about his latest devotional, A Year of Confession with Augustine: 365 Daily Devotions for the Restless Heart. The devotional will be out October 13, 2026 and is now available for preorder.

Steve Kruschel serves as a pastor in Platteville, Wisconsin. He has graduated with degrees from Martin Luther College, Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, and the University of Nebraska. For almost two decades, he has served as a pastor at churches in Nebraska and Wisconsin. He has authored two other books and numerous articles through 1517. He thanks the Lord every day for his wonderful wife, Becca, and the eight children with whom the Lord has blessed them.

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00:00 Introduction and Steve's Background

03:30 Involvement with College Ministry

06:31 Devotional Writing and Its Importance

11:08 A Devotional Approach to Augustine's Confessions

18:15 Understanding Augustine's Life and Struggles

24:22 Wrestling with Suffering and Evil

30:40 Understanding Augustine's Confessions

38:30 The Messiness of the Christian Life

43:30 Themes of Restlessness and Grace

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Kelsi chats with author, Laura Wifler, about her first book of poetry, This Side of the Sky: 101 Poems and Scriptures for the Hungry, Hopeful, and Homesick.

Laura Wifler is a poet, educator, and bestselling author of books for both adults and children. Laura has long offered Christian women a place to feel seen in the midst of ordinary life. Through her poetry, she is known for giving language to what many women feel but struggle to name. Over the years, Laura has authored multiple bestselling, award-winning books for children, including "Any Time, Any Place, Any Prayer" and "Like Me," and is the co-author of the bestselling book "Risen Motherhood." Laura lives in central Iowa with her husband and three children.

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Author and Pastor, Luke Kjolhaug, joins Kelsi to talk about his new book, Fear Not: How the Gospel Disrupts Our Deepest Anxieties. The two talk about how "Fear Not " is often less of a command than it is a promise throughout Scripture and how we can rely on Jesus to defeat our deepest anxieties. Luke Kjolhaug is the pastor of Elim Lutheran Church in Osakis, Minnesota. He holds undergraduate degrees from Wheaton College and the University of Minnesota, as well as a master’s degree from Lutheran Brethren Seminary. Luke is the author of Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer for the Christian Life. He and his wife Bethannie have been blessed with two daughters.

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00:00 Introduction

05:30 Personal Connection to Fear Not

11:17 Understanding Fear in Scripture

13:19 Fear and Anxiety

18:10 The Cultural Context of Fear

24:39 Wrestling with Fear and Faith

29:59 Understanding the Fear of God

34:25 Fear of the Future

43:27 FOMO and Covetousness in Modern Life

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Kelsi is joined by theologian, Amy Orr-Ewing, to discuss the unique gift of Christian forgiveness which Amy writes about in her most recent book, Forgiveness: Reclaiming its Power in a Culture of Outrage and Fear.

Amy Orr-Ewing (DPhil, Oxford University) is an international speaker, theologian, and apologist. She is the author of multiple books, including Where Is God in All the Suffering? and Why Trust the Bible? Orr-Ewing speaks at churches and on university campuses around the world and has spoken in the UK Parliament, the United States Capitol, and the West Wing of the White House. She previously served as president of the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics and is an honorary lecturer at the University of Aberdeen. She lives near Oxford, England, with her husband and their three sons.

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Kelsi chat with author and editor, Eddie LaRow, about his forthcoming book, After Progress: How an Ancient Faith Roots a Restless Generation, the needs of those of us living in a digital age, and how those needs are met time and again by Christ and the cross.

Eddie LaRow is an acquisitions editor at Baker Books. He has spent nearly a decade in publishing, and his essays have appeared in First Things, Ad Fontes, Mere Orthodoxy, The American Mind, and on his Substack.

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Content Manager for Sola Media, Mary Van Weelden, joins Kelsi to talk about the importance of making sure Christian women receive sound theological teaching and training from the local church, especially in the digital age where Tiktok and Instagram influencers often serve as our guides to theology, life, and more. Mary Van Weelden is Content Manager at Sola Media, a graduate of Westminster Seminary California, a writer, a pastor’s wife, and a former journalist.

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Mary is currently writing a book for P&R's Rooted in Wisdom Study Series entitled, Wisdom for Unwanted Seasons.

Author Alan Noble joins Kelsi to talk about the importance of Christian virtue, rooting virtue in the gospel and Noble's latest book, To Live Well: Practical Wisdom for Moving through Chaotic Times.

Dr. O. Alan Noble is Associate Professor of English at Oklahoma Baptist University and author of numerous books and articles.

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Kelsi talks with author and theologian, Belle Tindall-Riley, about her new book, The Sacred Ache, and Gen Z's search for the spiritual. Belle holds a Doctorate in Biblical Studies and her debut book, The Sacred Ache, was published in the UK June 2026. She is also editor-in-chief of The Mockingbird magazine. The Sacred Ache will be out in the U.S. early next year.

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Kelsi interviews Pastor Brian W. Thomas about his latest book with 1517 Publishing, By Water and the Word: God's Gift of Baptism for You at the latest Northwest Arkansas HWSS conference. The book serves as a visual and written guide to the Lutheran view of baptism which Kelsi and Brian both argue lines up with the Scriptural view of baptism. Brian W. Thomas is the pastor of Grace Lutheran in San Diego, California. He frequently contributes to 1517 and has written several books, including Wittenberg vs. Geneva: A Biblical Bout in Seven Rounds on Doctrines that Divide and Clothed with Christ: A Biblical Style Guide for Sinners.

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