Host Xóchitl Kusikuy Ashé speaks with Amber Hickman, a psychedelic integrator, and our retreat alumna, who lost her home in the 2023 Maui fires while living in Mexico. Amber shares her journey from displacement to rebuilding, and how microdosing has become essential for navigating collective trauma and grief.

This conversation explores witnessing and holding space for grief without trying to fix it. Amber introduces the "crater" metaphor, when big trauma happens, everything falls into a crater, and sometimes people just need someone to look at it with them. This insight shapes her microdosing integration circles in Mexico City.

Amber discusses transitioning from losing everything to creating a thriving practice. She shares how returning to Maui led to an unexpected soul retrieval experience, allowing her to move forward whole. They explore the distinction between wisdom keepers and gatekeepers, and bridging indigenous knowledge with modern needs. Her integration circles have become sacred community spaces where people disconnected from ancestry and spirituality can find belonging.

Essential listening for anyone navigating loss, supporting others through crisis, or seeking gentle healing tools. Practical wisdom on presence, witnessing without fixing, and why "agility" matters more than resilience in changing times.

Connect with Amber Hickman Instagram: @mindful.rabbit | Psilocybin Assisted Integration, Microdosing Integration Circles Website: https://www.mindfulrabbit.space/https://www.mindfulrabbit.space/

Connect with Xóchitl Website: xochitlashe.com | Instagram & Facebook: @xochitlashe

About Amber HickmanAmber is a psychedelic integrator specializing in activating visionary creativity and helping individuals design the life they want. She lost everything in the 2023 Lahaina fires while traveling in Mexico, deepening her understanding of trauma and community support. Now based in Mexico City, she facilitates microdosing integration circles as sacred community spaces. With a background in energy healing and life coaching, she bridges visionary states with real-world transformation, honoring indigenous wisdom while making practices accessible to modern seekers.

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Episode Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Healing and Microdosing

04:05 Personal Experiences with Natural Disasters

07:08 The Impact of Community and Grief

10:00 Returning to Maui: A Healing Journey

13:04 Navigating Trauma and Resilience

16:19 Agility in Times of Change

19:00 Microdosing: A Tool for Healing

22:16 Cultural Connections and Spirituality

25:06 Building Community Through Microdosing

28:14 The Role of Presence in Healing

31:09 Final Thoughts and Wisdom

49:37 Closing

Host Xóchitl Kusikuy Ashé speaks with Atasiea (pronounced 'Ah-tah-see-ay'), co-founder of Ecstatic Dance Los Angeles and Master Reiki healer with over two decades of experience. Atasiea shares wisdom about building conscious community, maintaining spiritual hygiene during chaotic times, and why dance is a revolutionary act.

The conversation explores showing up as a leader and healer during times of change. Atasiea reveals the pivotal moment when his teacher asked: "How much ceremony do you do alone for yourself?" This led to a transformation in his self-care practice, implementing weekly moon ceremonies and taking one full day off social media for personal renewal.

They discuss how Ecstatic Dance LA became a cornerstone of LA's wellness community over 11 years, thriving through the pandemic by pivoting to outdoor beach dances. Atasiea shares the philosophy that underpins conscious dance: everything in nature is moving, and regular dance practice aligns us with cosmic rhythms. Ecstatic dance isn't always ecstatic—people come to grieve, process, and be held by community in authentic expression.

Essential listening for healers, teachers, community organizers, and anyone navigating turbulent times with grace and resilience. Atasiea offers practical wisdom on emotional regulation, the power of breath, and why spiritual self-care must level up to meet the moment: "The breath is life. Air is the one element we can't live for more than a few minutes without."

Connect with AtasieaWebsite: atasiea.com | EcstaticDanceLA.comEmail: [email protected]Instagram: @ecstaticdancela

Connect with XóchitlWebsite: xochitlashe.comInstagram & Facebook: @xochitlashe

About AtasieaAtasiea, also known as Kenneth Lawrence Ferguson, is a Theta Healer, Certified Reiki Master, Bodyworker, Yogi, Minister, Dancing Freedom Facilitator, and Co-Founder of Ecstatic Dance Los Angeles. Born in Oakland, California, he has trained globally for over two decades. He co-founded Ecstatic Dance Los Angeles in 2014 with Robin Parrish, creating an all-ages, substance-free conscious dance celebration. Through Angelic Presence Healing with Atasiea, he offers Reiki training, energy healing, therapeutic massage, life coaching, and ceremonial facilitation. Featured on TBS's "Lost Resort" and highlighted by Conscious City Guide as a leader igniting evolution in 2024.

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Episode Chapters(00:00) Opening Sacred Space with California White Sage(01:14) Introducing Atasiea: Master Healer and Ecstatic Dance LA Co-Founder(07:41) The Power of Ecstatic Dance and Building Conscious Community(10:43) "This is My Church": How Ecstatic Dance LA Became a Spiritual Sanctuary(12:05) The Origin Story: From Acting Crisis to Dance Revolution(16:05) Celebrating 11 Years: Consistency as Key to Community Building(18:22) Pivoting Through the Pandemic: From Indoor to Beach Dancing(19:30) The Philosophy of Movement: Everything in Nature is Dancing(23:01) "If Your Revolution Doesn't Include Dance, I Don't Want to Be Part of It"(24:08) Ceremony as a Way of Life: Personal Practice and Community Ritual(30:53) Ecstatic Dance Isn't Always Ecstatic: Holding Space for All Emotions(32:18) The Wake-Up Call: "How Much Ceremony Do You Do Alone for Yourself?"(36:18) Weekly Moon Ceremonies and Digital Detox: Self-Care for Healers(39:28) Taking One Day Off Per Week: Essential Practice for Leaders(41:11) Spiritual Self-Care Must Meet the Moment: Leveling Up in Crisis(42:17) Essential Skills for Navigating Change: Communication and Emotional Regulation(44:30) Closing Wisdom: The Breath is Life(47:08) Air as Essential Element: The Most Important Thing We Often Forget(48:19) Final Blessings and Community Connection

In this powerful episode, host Xóchitl Kusikuy Ashé sits down with renowned curandera and herbalist Atava Garcia Swiecicki for an essential conversation about reclaiming ancestral plant medicine in these turbulent times. As the author of "The Curanderx Toolkit" and founder of the Ancestral Apothecary School, Atava shares three decades of wisdom about building relationships with plants as our ancestors and greatest teachers.

They explore how curanderismo offers a framework for community resilience, the importance of becoming our own healer, and practical ways to cultivate wellness culture through plant relationships. Atava reveals how dreams and intuition guided her path, shares powerful plant allies for navigating crisis, and offers profound insights about reclaiming our divine nature and star consciousness during this collective transformation.

Whether you're seeking to deepen your connection with plant medicine, looking for practical tools to navigate these challenging times, or ready to reclaim your intuitive wisdom, this episode offers both ancestral knowledge and actionable practices for thriving in the new earth that's emerging.

• Website: ancestralapothecary.com

• Instagram: @curanderxtoolkit

• LinkedIn: Atava Garcia Swiecicki

• Email: [email protected]

• Book: "The Curanderx Toolkit: Reclaiming Ancestral Herbal Medicine and Rituals for Healing"

• Website: xochitlashe.com

• Instagram & Facebook: @xochitlashe

Atava Garcia Swiecicki (she/her/ella) is the author of The Curanderx Toolkit: Reclaiming Ancestral Herbal Medicine and Rituals for Healing. Guided by her dreams, the plants, and her ancestors, Atava has studied healing arts extensively for over thirty years and has been mentored by herbalists, curanderas, and traditional knowledge keepers.

She currently works as a clinical herbalist and curandera, Jin Shin Jyutsu practitioner, and medicine maker. She was the founder and steward of Ancestral Apothecary School of Herbal, Folk and Indigenous Medicine in Huchiun/Oakland for over 20 years. She relocated to New Mexico in 2020 where she is learning how to garden in the high desert. Her mixed ancestry includes roots from Mexico, New Mexico, Poland, and Hungary, all converging in Detroit where she was born.

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• (00:00) Opening Sacred Space and Intentions

• (03:46) Introducing Atava Garcia Swiecicki

• (05:36) Atava's Journey: From Detroit to Curanderismo

• (09:52) Finding Home in Herbalism and Feminist Studies

• (11:25) Meeting Doña Enrique Contreras: A Life-Changing Encounter

• (17:52) Defining Curanderismo and Its Cultural Significance

• (22:00) Tending Grief and the Wichol Path

• (25:09) Navigating Challenging Times Through Connection to Nature

• (28:00) The Healing Culture of Wellness

• (33:23) Grounding in Turbulent Times: Tools and Practices

• (36:07) Preparing for a New Earth: Seeds, Medicine, and Resilience

• (39:01) Cultivating Community Resilience and the Power of "We"

• (43:19) The Power of Prayer, Ritual, and Altars

• (48:19) Plant Allies for These Times: Lemon Balm, Passionflower, and More

• (52:00) Personal Health Journey as Spiritual Upgrade

• (55:27) Chamomile and the Importance of Rest

• (57:06) Closing Wisdom: Trusting Intuition and Remembering Our Divinity

• (1:02:30) Final Blessings and Amplifying Light Worker Voices

In this profound episode, host Xóchitl Kusikuy Ashé reunites with spiritual teacher and mentor Jyoti Ma for a powerful conversation about navigating the prophetic times we're living in. As grandmother vision keeper of the Center for Sacred Studies and co-founder of the International Council of 13 Indigenous Grandmothers, Jyoti Ma shares decades of indigenous wisdom for our current moment of transformation.

They explore the Eagle Condor prophecy, the significance of 2026 when "the ending falls into the beginning," and Mother Earth's ascension into heart consciousness. Jyoti Ma reveals the mystical origins of gathering the 13 Indigenous Grandmothers and shares practical wisdom for staying centered during turbulent times - including the transformative "Divine Mother" mantra and guidance on reconnecting with nature as our primary teacher.

Whether you're seeking clarity amid chaos or ready to embody your role in the new dawn, this episode offers ancient wisdom and practical tools for thriving during this planetary cycle change.

Connect with Jyoti Ma: Website: centerforsacredstudies.org https://motherearthdelegation.com/ https://centerforsacredstudies.org/ 

Connect with Xochitl: Website: xochitlashe.com Instagram & Facebook: @xochitlashe

About Jyoti Ma: Jyoti Ma is an internationally renowned spiritual teacher. She has cultivated projects that demonstrate ways of life that honor the Earth and all Peoples.   As the Grandmother Vision Keeper of the Center for Sacred Studies (centerforsacredstudies.org), she co-founded Kayumari with spiritual communities both in America and Europe. Other projects she has helped to convene are the International Council of Thirteen Indigenous Grandmothers and the Unity Concert. She is the founder of The Fountain (https://thefountain.earth) It’s mission is to restore an economic model that is based on reciprocity and collaboration guided by Nature and the Sacred. Currently, as a delegate of the Mother Earth Delegation of United Original Nations a collaboration with the Fountain has grown, creating a global movement for and with the Earth that is ready to activate the New Day

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Chapters: (01:11) Opening Sacred Space and Introduction to Jyoti Ma 

(04:24) Prayer for Awakening and the New Dawn 

(13:53) The Vision of Bringing Together the 13 Indigenous Grandmothers 

(22:28) The Journey to Becoming a Council 

(28:09) What Now? Navigating the Urgency of 2026 

(31:43) The 13-Year Great Cleanse and Earth's Cycle 

(34:07) The Sixth Extinction and Ascension into Heart Consciousness 

(36:31) Deep Listening: Reconnecting with Nature 

(38:37) Finding the Original Caretakers of the Land 

(41:09) Certainty and Clarity During the LA Fires 

(43:29) The Divine Flame in the Wind Tunnel 

(46:21) The Divine Mother Mantra: A Tool for Manifestation 

(48:59) Claiming Your Sovereignty in These Times 

(52:16) Final Words: We Are the Ones We've Been Waiting For 

(53:16) Morning Prayer Practice with Water

In this transformative episode of the Pachamama School Podcast, host Xochitl Kusikuy Ashe reconnects with her dear friend and former operations manager, Brittany Lillegard, for an intimate exploration of breathwork as a compass for navigating life's constant changes. As an international breath facilitator and founder of MoveBreath, Brittany shares her decade-long journey from panic attacks in Chicago to becoming a modern nomad spreading breathwork wisdom across North America.

Together, they dive deep into the science and spirituality of breathwork - exploring how conscious breathing can quiet the modern mind, connect us to spirit, and guide us toward authentic living. Brittany reveals the pivotal moment when her teacher Dr. Perry Nickelston said, "If you can't breathe somewhere, you don't belong there" - wisdom that led her to sell everything and embark on a nomadic journey that continues today.

This conversation weaves through practical breathwork techniques, the psychology of altered states, and the profound community wisdom that emerges from van life culture.

Whether you're curious about breathwork, considering a nomadic lifestyle, or seeking tools for personal transformation, this episode provides both scientific understanding and deeply practical wisdom for using your breath as life's most reliable compass.

Connect with Brittany:

• Website: MoveBreath.com

• Instagram: @brittanylillegard

• Upcoming MoveBreath Facilitator Training (details available on website)

Connect with Xochitl:

• Website: xochitlashe.com

• Instagram & Facebook: @xochitlashe

About Brittany: Brittany Lillegard is an international breath facilitator and founder of MoveBreath. She has a decade of training under renowned teachers such as Dr. Perry Nickelston, Wim Hof, and Dan Brulé, alongside immersive study in India. Known for her approachable, playful, and trauma-informed teaching style, Brittany has shared her work at venues including the Esalen Institute, Sisters in Psychedelic Conference, LA Psychedelic Conference, and Unison Festival. Breathwork has been pivotal in her own healing from depression and anxiety, guiding her life as both a compass and a source of inspiration. A modern nomad, Brittany travels North America in her truck, bringing accessible and transformative breathwork experiences to communities far and wide.

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Show Notes:

Chapters

(01:12) Opening Sacred Space and Guest Introduction

(01:59) Reunion of Dear Friends and Collaborators

(05:47) Brittany's Journey into Breathwork: From Panic to Purpose

(09:15) Understanding Breath: Reconnection vs. Teaching "Correct" Breathing

(12:23) Why Breathwork is Psychedelic: The Science Behind Altered States

(17:22) Breath as Compass: Navigating Life's Micro and Macro Challenges

(22:34) Ten Years of Nomadic Living: From Backpack to Van Life (28:54) The Four-Box Revelation: Learning to Live with Less (34:45) Forced Resilience: How Nomadic Life Builds Problem-Solving Skills

(38:57) Community Without Geography: Building Deep Connections on the Road

(44:32) Applying Van Life Community Wisdom to City Living (48:32) Beyond Instagram Breathwork: Simple Practices for Daily Life

(52:57) The MoveBreath Facilitator Training: Empowering Others

(55:03) Final Wisdom: You Can't Get Better in the Same Environment You Got Sick In

(58:26) Closing Gratitude and Connection Information

In this transformative episode of Pachamama School Podcast, host Xochitl Ashe sits down with her brother-friend Enrico Moses, founder of World Famous House Crew, for an exploration of how to navigate our rapidly changing world with wisdom, authenticity, and strategic hope.

This conversation moves far beyond surface-level optimism into the realm of what Enrico calls "optimistic realism." As a new father, entrepreneur, and community leader, he shares how understanding our lineage provides essential codes for resilience, why emotional intelligence is non-negotiable in these times, and how strategic thinking can help us visualize and work toward our best-case scenarios. The dialogue fearlessly tackles difficult topics including the reality of systemic racism, the dangers of toxic positivity in spiritual communities, and why authentic connection requires seeing and honoring our differences rather than erasing them.

This conversation is both deeply personal and broadly applicable, weaving together insights on parenting, community building, and creating sustainable change in a world that often feels overwhelming.

Connect with Enrico:

• Email: [email protected]

• Website: WorldFamousHouseCrew.org

• Instagram: @worldfamoushousecrew

• LinkedIn: Enrico Moses LinkedIn

  
  

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• Website: xochitlashe.com

• Instagram & Facebook: @xochitlashe

  
  

About Enrico: Enrico Moses is the founder of World Famous House Crew, a nonprofit focused on empowering Black artists within the house music scene and promoting collective economics through music, fashion, and community-building. His work integrates advanced technologies and sustainable practices to uplift historically marginalized communities. Enrico is dedicated to harnessing the power of house music for social transformation and personal empowerment. As a prolific coach, teacher, and entrepreneur, he brings strategic thinking and emotional intelligence to conversations about creating sustainable futures.

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Show Notes: 

(00:07) Introduction to Enrico Moses: Brother, Coach, and Visionary 

(02:58) The Birth of "Future Proof Earth": How a Conversation Changed Everything 

(06:00) Lineage as Technology: Understanding Our Ancestral Codes 

(09:07) Parenting with Purpose: Raising Children for an Uncertain Future 

(11:56) The Optimistic Realist Framework: Hope Without Denial 

(15:08) Learning from Mistakes: The Baseball Metaphor for Life 

(18:03) Black American Progress: Lessons in Resilience and Determination 

(27:22) Indigenous Strength: Surviving Cultural Destruction 

(30:00) Reframing American History: Indigenous Contributions and Collaboration 

(35:42) The Initiation into Whiteness: Understanding Systemic Patterns 

(40:58) Beyond Toxic Positivity: The Need for Authentic Connection 

(44:23) True Unity Through Seeing Differences: Moving Past Spiritual Bypassing 

(47:29) Political Honesty vs. Feel-Good Messaging (50:34) Three Essential Skills for Modern Life 

(52:22) Emotional Intelligence: Understanding Your Primary Emotions 

(54:15) Strategic Thinking: Visualizing Your Best Case Scenario 

(56:45) Know Thyself: Discovering Your God-Given Talents 

(58:47) Collaboration and Clear Communication 

(59:59) Vision Keeping for Future Generations

In this transformative episode of Pachamama School Podcast, host Xóchitl Ashé welcomes back her longtime teacher and mentor Bari Tessler for a sacred exploration of our relationship with money during these rapidly changing times. As a pioneer in financial therapy with over 24 years of experience, Bari brings profound wisdom to one of our culture's most avoided yet essential topics.

This intimate conversation weaves through Bari's unexpected journey from wanting to be a solid gold dancer to becoming a somatic-based financial therapist, and why she believes money work is ultimately a doorway into our deepest psychospiritual healing. Together, they explore how our ancestral and generational money stories shape our current reality, and offer practical tools for conscious financial transformation.

Bari shares her revolutionary Art of Money method, which integrates money healing work with practical money practices and strategic money mapping. They dive into the nuances of wealth consciousness, the importance of having brave money conversations, and why "body check-ins" are the first step toward financial awareness. The discussion also addresses how to navigate financial fears during uncertain times and why money dates are essential self-care practices.

This episode is medicine for anyone ready to transform their relationship with money from shame and scarcity into sacred stewardship and conscious abundance.

Connect with Bari:

• Website: https://baritessler.com

• Books: "The Art of Money: A Life-Changing Guide to Financial Happiness" and "The Art of Money Workbook"

• Programs: The Art of Money financial therapy program and mentor program for professionals

Connect with Xochitl:

• Website: xochitlashe.com

• Instagram & Facebook: @xochitlashe

About Bari: Bari Tessler, MA, is a financial therapist and pioneer in the financial therapy field with a master's degree in somatic psychology from Naropa University. She founded The Art of Money, a comprehensive financial therapy program, and has been teaching her somatic-based financial therapy methodology for over 24 years. Her work has been featured on Oprah.com, Inc.com, and the cover of Experience Life and Mindful magazines. She lives in Boulder, Colorado with her family and many cats.

Chapters:

• (01:13) Opening Sacred Space & Introduction to Bari Tessler

• (08:13) From Solid Gold Dancer to Financial Therapist: Bari's Origin Story

• (16:55) Why Money Conversations Are Sacred Work

• (25:08) Breaking Down Money Taboos & Cultural Conditioning

• (31:14) The Nuances of Wealth, Class & Anti-Rich Sentiment

• (41:04) Understanding Your Personal Money Story & Family Patterns

• (49:30) Body Check-Ins: The Foundation Practice for Money Awareness

• (56:07) Step One: Developing Somatic Awareness Around Money

• (1:01:05) Overcoming Underearning: Internal & External Strategies

• (1:06:54) Money Dates: Sacred Self-Care for Your Financial Life

• (1:18:29) Wisdom for Financial Resilience in Uncertain Times

In this transformative episode of Pachamama School Podcast, host Xochitl Ashe welcomes back her sister-friend of over 20 years, Susanna Barkataki, for a powerful exploration of yoga as a tool for personal and social revolution. As we navigate the transition from the digital era to the intelligence era, Susanna shares how ancient yogic wisdom can ground us in presence and purpose while everything around us rapidly transforms.

Together, they dive deep into yoga's revolutionary history—from Gandhi's liberation movement to Martin Luther King Jr. and Angela Davis using yogic philosophy in civil rights activism. Susanna reveals how yoga has been deliberately watered down and commercialized, and why reclaiming its authentic roots is more crucial than ever in our current moment of global upheaval.

This intimate conversation weaves through Susanna's personal journey from a shy immigrant child to a leading voice in decolonizing yoga, her book "Ignite Your Yoga," and practical wisdom for preparing the next generation for an uncertain future. They explore the importance of embodied integrity, spiritual friendships, and finding your dharma in service of the emerging new earth.

Note: This episode was recorded before the release of "Ignite Your Yoga" - the book is now available.

Connect with Susanna:

• Website: https://www.susannabarkataki.com/

• Instagram: @susannabarkataki

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanna-barkataki

• YouTube: Susanna Barkataki

• Books: "Embrace Yoga's Roots" and "Ignite Your Yoga" (now available from Shambhala/Penguin Random House)

Connect with Xochitl:

• Website: xochitlashe.com

• Instagram & Facebook: @xochitlashe

About Susanna: Susanna Barkataki, M.Ed., C-IAYT, is a yoga leader, author, and visionary dedicated to honoring and amplifying yoga's roots. She founded Yoke Yoga, a social yoga app offering micro-practices for quick peace, and the Ignite Institute for Yogic Leadership and Social Change. Author of the #1 International Bestseller "Embrace Yoga's Roots" and "Ignite Your Yoga," she bridges traditional yoga wisdom with modern social change. A sought-after speaker, she has worked with Yoga Alliance, Peloton, Netflix, and CBS to shape the future of yoga.

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Show Notes:

Chapters

(00:00) Introduction and Friendship

(02:47) Yoga's Roots and Social Change

(06:04) Awakening Through Yoga

(08:56) Staying Centered in Challenging Times

(11:56) The Power of Yoga in Social Movements

(14:46) Empowering the Next Generation

(18:11) Personal Journey and Transformation

(21:00) Preparing for a New Era

(24:05) Final Thoughts and Wisdom

In this transformative episode of the Pachamama School Podcast: Sacred Wisdom to Birth the New Earth, host Xochitl Kusikuy Ashe welcomes Jessie Susannah Karnatz, AKA The Money Witch, for a profound conversation about healing our relationship with money through spiritual practice and social justice awareness. Against the backdrop of recent global upheavals—from the LA fires to political transitions—this timely discussion explores how to create a future-proof earth by reclaiming our power around finances and resources.

The Money Witch shares her remarkable journey from the sex industry to becoming a financial educator and priestess, including her experience buying and running a unionized worker cooperative. Together, they explore the intersection of capitalism, colonialism, and spiritual practice, offering practical wisdom for healers, creatives, and change-makers who want to thrive financially while staying aligned with their values.

This conversation addresses the urgent need to heal ancestral money wounds, break free from colonial financial programming, and step into our role as resourced stewards of change. They discuss the six portals of financial healing, debunk harmful myths about worth and net worth, and provide a roadmap for building financial literacy as a form of spiritual practice and revolutionary act.

• Website: MoneyWitch.com

• Instagram: @therealmoneywitch

• Money Coven: Available on Teachable

• Book: "Money Magic" (available on audio)

• Website: xochitlashe.com

• Instagram & Facebook: @xochitlashe

• Sign up for Xochitl's newsletter'

  
  

Jessie Susannah Karnatz, AKA The Money Witch, brings capitalism-critical, shame-free education to healers, hustlers, and creatives in order to catalyze change in their financial lives. She believes healing our finances will bring blessing to our lives, our lineages, and our communities. Jessie-Susannah is cult leader at Money Coven, an online web of magical beings who are healing their relationship with money, showing up for their financial self-care, and becoming powerful stewards of their resources. She lives on unceded Ohlone territory in the Bay Area, California, with over 11 years of experience in financial education and healing.

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Chapters:

(01:17) Opening Sacred Space with Hebrew Intentions

(03:16) Introduction to The Money Witch and Setting Sacred Container

(06:33) Genesis Story: From Sex Work to Financial Priestess

(12:08) Integrating Social Justice with Spiritual Money Work

(20:02) Capitalism as Magic Spell and the Wizard of Oz Effect

(22:02) Breaking Down Colonial Money Ethics and Fear-Based Control

(27:45) Healing Ancestral Money Wounds and Indigenous Perspectives

(29:57) The Six Portals of Financial Healing in Money Coven

(37:11) Debunking "Your Worth Equals Your Net Worth" Mythology

(43:49) The Ongoing Journey of Financial Presence and Evolution

(48:16) Final Wisdom: Releasing Guilt and Shame About Having Money

In this profound episode of the Pachamama School Podcast: Sacred Wisdom to Birth the New Earth, host Xóchitl Kusikuy Ashé reunites with longtime friend and Buddhist teacher Deborah Eden Tull in an intimate conversation about resilience, awakening, and authentic leadership. Just six months after losing their home and all belongings in the devastating North Carolina floods, Eden shares how this profound loss became a gateway to deeper understanding of impermanence, community, and our interconnection with the more-than-human world.

Together, they explore the sacred nature of crisis as a teacher, the dissolution of separation that happens in times of collective challenge, and how climate events serve as allies for human consciousness. Eden offers wisdom from over 30 years of meditation practice and seven years as a Buddhist monk, discussing how to find sacred ground in groundless times, the importance of embracing our shadows, and what authentic leadership looks like in an age of unprecedented change.

This conversation weaves together themes of displacement and belonging, the medicine of darkness, building resilient communities, and how to show up with grace during humanity's great transformation.

Connect with Eden:

• Website: https://www.deborahedentull.com/

• Books: "Relational Mindfulness", "Luminous Darkness: An Engaged Buddhist Approach to Embracing the Unknown" and “The Natural Kitchen”

  
  

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• Website: xochitlashe.com

• Instagram & Facebook: @xochitlashe

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About Eden: Deborah Eden Tull is the founder of Mindful Living Revolution and teaches the integration of compassionate awareness into every aspect of our lives, bridging personal and collective awakening in an age of global change. She is an engaged Buddhist teacher, spiritual activist, author, eco-Dharma educator, and facilitator of The Work That Reconnects. Eden teaches Dharma intertwined with post-patriarchal thought and practices, resting upon a lived knowledge of our unity with the more-than-human world. She has practiced meditation for over 30 years and trained for seven and a half years as a Buddhist monk at the Zen Monastery Peace Center. She has been teaching for over 25 years and has written three books in compassionate response to the ecological, social, and spiritual crisis of our time.

Show Notes:

Chapters

(01:21) Opening Sacred Space and Introductions 

(03:54) Reunion of Old Friends in Changing Times (09:51) The North Carolina Flood Experience 

(16:37) Finding Gratitude in Crisis and Practice 

(20:17) Community Response and Human Goodness 

(24:11) Climate Events as Allies for Consciousness 

(27:19) The Spiritual Path and Impermanence 

(32:23) Living in Intentional Community in LA 

(39:48) The Art of Being in Community

(43:06) Principles for Community and Leadership 

(48:08) The Triangle of Authentic Leadership 

(52:22) Dismantling Old Leadership Models 

(56:15) Qualities of New World Leaders 

(1:00:48) Reclaiming the Authority of the Heart 

(1:03:56) Finding Sacred Ground in Groundless Times