In this episode of The More Freedom Foundation Podcast, hosts Robert Morris and Ruairi unpack the headlines around the new Pakistan–Saudi Arabia defense pact. Some analysts are framing this as the rise of a new anti-American “axis of power,” but is that really the case? Robert breaks down the history of both nations’ deep ties to the United States, the realities of their military cooperation, and why talk of Pakistan deploying nuclear weapons to defend Saudi Arabia doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. This conversation offers a clear-eyed look at geopolitics beyond the hype.

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