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By James Lamsdell, Amanda Falk, and Curtis Congreve
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The gang discusses two papers that technically involve symbiosis. The first paper looks at fossil evidence for tape worms, and the second paper is a review of the various evolutionary hypotheses of the convergent origin of viviparity (live birth). Meanwhile, Curt imagines a new theme park, James has a good night, and Amanda surprises us all. Up-Goer Five (Curt Edition): The friends look at two papers that look at things that live inside of other animals. The first paper looks at an animal that lives inside other animals and eats their food from the inside. This paper finds very old shit and in some of this shit they find the things that these animals that live inside of you use to make more of themselves. The second paper goes over the ways that animals can grow smaller animals of themselves inside of themselves, and all of the reasons why that might happen. References: Dentzien-Dias, Paula, et al. "Multiple records of tapeworm eggs from Permian coprolites and their palaeoparasitological significance." Acta Palaeontologica Polonica 71.2 (2026): 323-335. Whittington, Camilla M., Mitchell J. Hodgson, and Christopher R. Friesen. "Convergent evolution of pregnancy in vertebrates." Annual Review of Animal Biosciences 13.1 (2025): 189-209.

The gang discusses two papers that use fossils to understand ecological interactions in the past. The first paper reports predation patterns on fossil blastoids, and the second paper finds brooding in the soft tissue of fossil bivalves. And then… the gang gets very much back on their bullshit… Meanwhile, James simplifies his life, Curt discusses new business ventures, and Amanda is seen. Up-Goer Five (Curt Edition): The friends look at two papers that look at how animals from a long time ago lived their lives. The first paper looks at a group of animals made of small hard parts with a big round head and tiny things coming off the head that it uses to eat. People did not think that animals ate these animals in the past, but this paper finds a few bits that show they were eaten. It uses a lot of looking at other things to say that this may have been eaten by a fish. The question then is, do we not see more of these animals that have been eaten because the fish don't try to go for them most of the time, or because when they do go for them they completely blow them up when they eat them. The second paper looks at a group of animals that has two hard parts on either side of them. These animals usually fall to pieces when they die because of the soft bits that go away. This paper looks at dead animals that did not fall to pieces because they got covered in the ground before that happened. This paper looks at parts of these that they show are soft bits from a long time ago. They also show the parts where the animal would get water in to breathe, and in that part they find small little animals of the same animal. This is a group that makes little ones that live in these parts that take in water, but start in the parts of the mother. This shows that this was happening in the past in ways that are like how they happen today. References: Delvene, Graciela, et al. "Exceptionally preserved embryos reveal maternal care in freshwater bivalves since the Cretaceous." Scientific Reports 16.1 (2026): 17691. Drumheller, Stephanie K., Colin D. Sumrall, and J. Richard Kyle. "Crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside: evidence for vertebrate predation and recovery in the Mississippian blastoid Pentremites spicatus." Lethaia 60.1 (2026): 1-12.

The gang discusses two papers that use fossil material to assess the origin of animal groups. The first paper describes a new Early Devonian fish and its implications for the evolution of jaws, and the second paper reassesses the fossil material of turtles (and possible not turtles) to determine where turtles fit on the evolutionary tree of sauropsids. Meanwhile, James invents new flavors, Curt breaks things down, and Amanda sets boundaries. Up-Goer Five (Amanda Edition): Today our friends look at two papers that talk about things showing up for the first time. The first thing to show up for the first time are teeth. Animals with inside hard backs have teeth, but how those teeth first show up are a big question mark. Turns out that teeth first show up as not-teeth and can actually grow over each other and grow in weird ways that today's teeth can't grow in. It also turns out that these early animals with hard backs and mouths that open and close had these sort of teeth and they're pretty much from the same stuff as the teeth we have today, so these are the same thing over time. The second paper our friends look at has to do with animals with inside hard backs that also have outside hard backs. We didn't know for a long time where these animals came from. Now we know, and they look at a really old weird animal that we thought might be one of those animals with inside hard backs that also have outside hard backs. But it isn't, it is too old and has inside parts of its head that don't look right. So now we know that animals with inside hard backs that also have outside hard backs are actually closer to animals with cold blood and big long faces that sit in water all the time and attack animals that come to drink water. References: Olive, Sébastien, et al. "A new 'acanthothoracid'placoderm from the Arctic Canada (Early Devonian) and its bearing on the evolution of jaws and teeth." Royal Society open science 12.9 (2025). Jenkins, Xavier A., et al. "The phylogenetic origin of turtles." Current Biology (2026).

The gang discusses two papers about encrusting organisms. The first paper looks at evolutionary patterns of bryozoans to infer environmental triggers for shifts in the ways bryozoans calcify. The second paper uses the distribution of encrusting organisms on spirifd brachiopods to infer the ecology of both the encrusters and the brachiopod they grew on top of. Meanwhile, James discovers new foods, Amanda constructs a worm, and Curt gets confused and makes it everyone's problem. Up-Goer Five (Curt Edition): The friends talk about two papers that look at animals that do not move around much and live stuck to other animals. The first paper looks at a group of animals that grow together with their friends and grow really well on top of other things. This group makes hard parts out of stuff it gets from the water it lives in. When there are changes in ways big rocks move, this changes the types and number of things in the water that can be used to make hard parts, which can make one way of making hard parts easier than others. Most of these animals today make hard parts in the way that is not the way that is easy with how the water is today, but there are some groups that do use the easy way. This paper looks at how these groups changed over time using a family tree for the group, and they find that these groups that make their hard parts the easy way today may have started doing this when the water changed to the way it is today. The second paper looks at a group of animals with hard parts on the top and bottom that lives on the bottom of the water place and eats food by moving water into it to pull the food from the water. These animals do not move around much and they have big hard parts, so they are places where these animals that grow on top of other animals like to grow on top of. This paper looks at how these animals grew on top of these other animals to see if there are anythings that are the same or different between groups of animals that are growing over these animals. This is also used to see if we can learn things about how the animals with hard parts on the top and bottom which are having things grown on top of them are living, because some ways things grow over these animal could only happen if the animal with hard parts on the bottom and top are already dead. This paper shows that a lot of the ideas we had about how this animal with hard parts on the top and bottom lived are wrong. These animals did not change the way they sat at the bottom as they got bigger, and we know this because the parts of the animal that would be in the ground are not covered with animals that would grow on top. The only times we see these parts covered are when the animals that grow over would grow over the parts where the animal with hard parts on the bottom and the top would use to get water into to eat, which means that animal must already be dead. References: Saulsbury, James G., et al. "Evolution of skeletal mineralogy in cheilostome bryozoans from calcite to aragonite seas." Geology 53.11 (2025): 914-918. Vantoorenburg, Haley N., et al. "Palaeoecology of Middle Devonian epizoans and their Paraspirifer hosts." Palaeontology 69.2 (2026): e70050.

The gang discusses two papers about fossil cephalopods. The first paper uses new methods to reassess the taxonomy of what was previously considered to be the oldest octopod, and the second paper uses preserved beaks to reconstruct large body sizes of Mesozoic octopods. Meanwhile, Amanda keeps it within Michigan, James brings up THE cephalopod talk, and Curt ascends. Up-Goer Five (Curt Edition): Our friends talk about two papers that look at animals with many arms and a sharp mouth. The first paper looks at some parts of a very old animal with many arms. People thought that it might be an animal with many arms that does not have a hard home to live inside and carry around with it. But this paper looks over that animal and finds that the animal is an animal that lived in a hard home that it carried, but after it died it fell out of that home when it started to fall to pieces. The second paper looks at another animal with many arms and uses the size of the mouth to see how big the animal was. They find that these animals with many arms were very very big. They also say that this means they were really sharp which the friends talk about a lot. References: Clements, Thomas, et al. "Synchrotron data reveal nautiloid characters in Pohlsepia mazonensis, refuting a Palaeozoic origin for octobrachians." Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences 293.2068 (2026). Ikegami, Shin, et al. "Earliest octopuses were giant top predators in Cretaceous oceans." Science 392.6796 (2026): 406-410.
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