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The Gray Line, The Story Behind The Blue Line, is a law enforcement podcast discussing numerous topics. The podcast has four hosts. Benny Cruz, a retired San Diego Sheriff's Detective; David Contreras, a retired San Diego Police Detective Sergeant; Sean Murphy, a former San Diego Police Lieutenant; and Gonzalo "Chalo" Gerardo, retired Calexico Police Chief. The podcast goes live every Tuesday at 6 pm (PST). All the episodes start with an introductory video and song. The panel interviews many individuals, such as Prison Wardens, Alex Marentes, Buggs of Borderland Beat, Parole Agents, Hector Bravo of That Guard Podcast, Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva, DEA agents, former LAPD Rampart Officer Ruben Palomares, and Jay Flores, one of the Chicago Twins that brought down Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman from the Sinaloa Cartel, and many other guests. You can watch the video podcast on YouTube by going to their YouTube Channel.

In this episode, one of the Chicago Twins, Jay Flores, discusses the life stories of known Mexican Cartel leaders, his relationship with them, and his boss, Joaquin El Chapo Guzman. Jay will talk about his first meeting with his boss in Sinaloa and the violence he witnessed while working with the Sinaloa Cartel. Jay and his twin brother (Chicago Twins) later testified against their boss, crippling the Sinaloa Cartel. How did the Chicago twins or the Flores brothers become so powerful? Join us and listen to his story.