Reality TV fanatic, Stephen Bailey is trying to prove to Radio 4 favourite, Zoe Lyons that there are so many life and societal lessons to be learnt from reality television. This week, they take inspiration from J-Lo and discuss the importance of hard work and picking yourself up after getting knocked down.

Produced by producerpaul.co.uk freelance podcast producer for hire!

Follow your hosts @stephencomedy and @zoelyons (Twitter) / @zoelyonscomedy (Insta)

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.