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It's well documented that better client-based collaboration can boost business development results and build stronger, long lasting relationships between law firms and their clients. What isn't as clear is how firms can turn that collaboration into a real payoff when it comes to lateral hiring.

Today on the CMO Series: Laterals & Mergers, we are revisiting an episode with Dave Southern, former Chief Marketing & Business Development Officer at Choate, Hall & Stewart LLP, now Director of Communications at Mayer Brown, to discuss how greater client collaboration can make lateral hiring pay off.

In this episode Dave discusses:

Marketing and communications play a pivotal role in successfully launching the news of a law firm merger. Being able to strike the right balance between client-centric narratives, internal messaging, brand management, and PR is a fine art.

As part of our new CMO Series Laterals & Mergers series, we're revisiting this key conversation between Will Eke and Will Brewster, former Head of Communications at Clyde & Co, now Leadership Communications Consultant. Will has first-hand experience successfully launching the news of a law firm merger. In this episode, he walks through the different stages of Clyde & Co's merger with BLM from a communications perspective, sharing the challenges, opportunities, and lessons for others navigating the same path.

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Moving beyond practice group silos and towards a one firm, one solution approach starting with what the client genuinely needs has never been more relevant for global firms.

On today's episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Will Eke is joined by Tamasin Manwaring, Global Director of Product Business Development at Linklaters, about what it takes to build a client first product strategy at global scale. Drawing on a career that spans EY, Freshfields and more than a decade leading global disputes BD at Hogan Lovells, she shares how Linklaters is putting product BD into practice.

Tamasin talks about her journey into product BD, what makes it distinctly different from traditional practice group BD, and how she's bringing partners along on a more collaborative, client first approach.

Tamasin and Will dive into:

Adapting the big law playbook and driving the same high standards without the big law budget has never been more relevant for growing firms.  

On today's episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Will Eke is joined by Sarah High, Director of Marketing and Business Development at Yetter Coleman, about what it takes to successfully build a BD function from the ground up in a boutique litigation firm. Drawing on big law lessons and her ability to drive real strategic growth, she shares how to succeed on a boutique budget.

Sarah talks about her journey from big law to boutique litigation, what it means to be a one person team building the framework for growth, and how she's leaning on external partners and AI to deliver big law results.

Sarah and Will dive into:

As the role of a legal marketer evolves beyond traditional definitions, it is important that marketing and BD professionals actively redefine and shape the role’s future direction.

On this week's episode of the CMO Series Podcast Alistair Bone is joined by Jennifer Shankleton, Chief Growth and Development Officer at Brennan Manna & Diamond LLC, a title introduced in recognition that the marketing label no longer captured the full scope of her role. Jennifer sits on the executive committee and works across BD coaching, associate mentoring, and growth strategy.

Jennifer brings a rare inside view of what it looks like building a marketing department from scratch, pushing past the limits of the marketing label, and running a function that wide inside a midsize firm with significant growth ambitions. Jennifer’s experience speaks to what marketing and BD professionals can achieve when the scope of their contribution is allowed to grow alongside their ambition.

Jennifer and Ali also explore:

Building a BD function that actually drives revenue, not just activity, is something many law firms talk about but few get right.

On today's episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Will Eke is joined by Helen Griffiths, Head of Business Development at Fladgate, who brings a genuinely distinctive perspective to the role, having spent her career across litigation funding, global law firms and a leading commercial barristers' chambers. Since joining Fladgate in 2024, Helen has overhauled the firm's approach to BD, introducing a more structured, targeted model built around clear ownership and measurable results.

Helen and Will discuss:

In most large law firms, a small handful of clients truly move the needle on revenue, yet BD efforts are still spread thinly across the board.

In today’s episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Will Eke sits down with Rob Gijsen, Chief Marketing Officer at CMS, who has spent nearly three decades in senior BD and marketing roles at some of the world's largest firms. In the last year, Rob has driven the implementation of a new client and sector strategy to fundamentally change how CMS prioritises and manages its most important relationships.

Rob shares the thinking behind it, what rolling out a strategy looks like at a firm of CMS’s scale, and what he’d advise other leaders thinking about doing the same.

Rob and Will discuss:

In a market where everyone has smart people, strong credentials, and now access to the same AI tools, what is the actual differentiator and how do firms truly stand out?

On today's episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Alex Haidar is joined by Roanne Neuwirth, a B2B enterprise marketing leader and advisor whose career spans over two decades across law firms, global management consultancies, and boutique professional services firms. From Hale and Dorr to Boston Consulting Group, Farland Group, and Bates Communications (acquired by BTS), Roanne has spent her career working with leadership teams to define market position, build client relationships, and drive sustainable growth.

Roanne brings her unique outside-in perspective to challenge how legal and professional services marketers think about positioning, growth, and the role of AI. She makes the case that while technology levels the expertise playing field, genuine thought leadership and client feedback programmes are more important than ever in advancing marketing into the strategic force that truly differentiates.

Roanne and Alex discuss:

Building a growth function from scratch has never been more important for law firms, yet it remains one of the hardest things to get right. It means bringing in new people, shaping roles that have never existed before, and responding to a shifting market, all while respecting a firm's culture and heritage. Getting that all right is no mean feat. 

On today's episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Will Eke is joined by Clare Quinn-Waters, Chief Growth Officer at Edwin Coe, a role she stepped into in September 2024, and one that still doesn't exist at most law firms. With a 25-year career spanning strategic leadership across legal, professional services, and recruitment, Clare brings a distinctive perspective on what it actually takes to build a growth engine inside a firm with strong heritage and even stronger ambitions.

Clare dives into:

Every law firm is trying to solve the same challenge of making their firm's expertise easier to find, easier to share, and work harder commercially. Reed Smith tackled this with a complete rebuild of its digital platform around a “newsroom model”, treating content and expertise with the same discipline and agility as a publisher.

In the latest CMO Series Podcast episode, Yasmin Zand sits down with Rebecca Blaw, Digital Marketing Senior Manager at Reed Smith, and Mikkel Keller Stubkjær, CTO at Novicell, the technical partner who brought the vision to life. Since launching in December 2025, Reed Smith’s new composable platform has unified more than 10 separate blogs into a single experience and reduced load times from 15 seconds to just over one second.

Rebecca and Mikkel share how the project came together, what they learned along the way, and why this kind of transformation matters now more than ever for firms looking to compete in an increasingly digital and AI-driven landscape.

They also dive into:

Great news for those attending CMO Series Live in New York on June 4th, Mikkel and Rebecca will be available to continue the conversation in person!