There are times in life when we could use a little more stability. And In the wake of a pandemic it seems like stability is just what we need. But these days, we may actually have the opposite problem: complacency and decadence. Society is getting older, we’re having fewer kids, we’re more risk-averse, the rate of entrepreneurship is down, our political institutions and arrangements increasingly feel like they were permanently locked in during the 80s or even the 60s. Terrible injustices in society feel like they keep going longer and longer without being solved. And just as it feels like people need religion the most, the old ways of delivering that to people are increasingly unattractive -- old-school church attendance just dropped below 50% for the first time in American history. Now, at the same time, more young Americans than at any time in a decade or more (according to Pew) say they’re searching for spiritual fulfillment -- but who’s meeting that need?

It’s clear that what we need right now, is not just the stability of religion in response to the pandemic, but also the revolutionary spirit of religion, if we’re going to build a society that we, and more importantly God, can be proud of.

To unpack this, Rabbi Lamm got into it with one of the most passionate, innovative faith leaders in the country: Pastor Michael JT Fisher, the pastor of Greater Zion Church Family, a gospel artist, and an amazing voice for faith in America.

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