The Caving Podcast celebrates four years with a dream guest. Pat Kambesis has been exploring caves for decades. She discovered the Chandelier Ballroom in Lechuguilla, and has been caving all over the world.

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KOR and Speleofest were cancelled this year due to Covid-19, so please consider membership or a donation to the following grottos:
http://louisville.caves.org/
https://www.gcgcavers.com/