Owen Cox interviews Rick La Roche, a Navy SEAL, US diplomat, reality TV star, survivalist, professional videogamer (and more). In this conversation they discuss Nelson Mandela and forgiveness, sports and aggression, how Western society has changed over the past 60 years, intergenerational tension, Rick's experiences as a diplomat in Indonesia and Iraq, the impact of the internet, discrimination in society, death, competitive videogaming, making mistakes, long term relationships, and schooling.