We pick up on part two of our discussion with Nick Chavez, focusing on the possibilities and limitations of reengineering capitalist forces of production for communist social relations. We discuss the need for epistemic luddism—or breaking the way we understand and use technologies—and why militancy at points of production is absolutely crucial. What comes first? Which one gives us the other? Radical machines or radical society? The dialectical answer is, of course, why not both!

Some stuff we reference:

••• The Present and Future of Engineers | Nick Chavez | Brooklyn Rail https://brooklynrail.org/2021/10/field-notes/THINKING-ABOUT-COMMUNISM

••• Error | Endnotes 5 https://endnotes.org.uk/file_hosting/EN5_Error.pdf

••• How to Make a Pencil | Aaron Benanav https://logicmag.io/commons/how-to-make-a-pencil/

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