The Patriots played an ugly game against the Browns, so Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley attended to some business before getting into that game. Kayshon Boutte has been traded, and Mike Vrabel shared some honesty on why the team sent him away. A new report suggests Christian Gonzalez and the Patriots are far apart, which is not good news at this point. And of course, there were Booms and Dooms from the Patriots' 37-13 loss in Cleveland to end their preseason.

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The Patriots beat the Eagles in dramatic fashion in a preseason thriller, and Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley break down the booms and dooms from the game. That's not before they assess Mike Vrabel's comment that the Patriots aren't a deep team. Is he right? What was the goal of that postgame message?

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We're kidding! Nobody wins or loses at joint practice. But there were many, many takeaways from the Patriots' two practice sessions against the Eagles, from A.J. Brown's usage as the clear No. 1 receiver, to the rise of Romeo Doubs, to the Patriots' pass-rushing schemes.

Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley run through it all and also wonder if it's time for the NFL to just televise these practices instead of holding meaningless preseason games.

Then Doug gives some takes about muffins, among other things, while Michael ranks the most shocking head coaches to win Super Bowls in his lifetime.

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The Patriots tied the Colts in their preseason opener, and Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley react to the highs and lows from the game. Kicker Andy Borregales missed three kicks, and Mike Vrabel didn't seem pleased about it. Kyle Williams caught a touchdown and Kindle Vildor had an interception. Kyed and Hurley share impressions from the rookie debuts of Caleb Lomu, Gabe Jacas and Eli Raridon as well as everyone else who took the field for this 13-13 preseason classic...

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Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley check in at the midway of Patriots training camp with a report on which players are trending up and which players are trending down, as the team gets ready to host the Colts for a joint practice and a preseason game.

Plus, the latest on Christian Gonzalez and A.J. Brown going at it at practice, some developments with Kyle Williams and the receiver depth chart, and some thoughts on gross people at the movies and a parmesan cheese scarcity.

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Christian Gonzalez spoke to the media and indicated he won't be negotiating his contract publicly. Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley go deep on the Gonzalez situation while indicating there might not be any more developments until a deal gets done.

The Pats Chat duo also breaks down the entire depth chart, while Doug offers some observations on the rookie tight ends, veterans like A.J. Brown and Kevin Byard, and more.

There's also some non-Pats chat: Third Eye Blind at Warped Tour? What's that all about, people?!

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Training camp is in full swing, and Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley are BACK on Pats Chat duty to recap the first two days in Foxboro. Kayshon Boutte and Drake Maye picked right up where they left off. Christian Gonzalez is fully participating despite no new deal being signed. Gabe Jacas finally signed his rookie deal. Can Mack Hollins fill a need at tight end?

All of this and MORE -- plus, the Baseball Boys had to come out to talk some Red Sox.

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Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley are BACK after a brief summer break to get ready for Patriots training camp.

From the latest on the unresolved contract situations for Christian Gonzalez and Gabe Jacas, to the ESPN poll rankings for Drake Maye and A.J. Brown, to some meandering thoughts on baseball and the World Cup, the boys are back in town.

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Gabe Jacas is the only second-round pick who hasn't signed a contract. The Patriots might not have known about the pass rusher undergoing a knee procedure. The situation is a bit odd.

Doug Kyed & Michael Hurley explore that matter and project how and when it might be resolved. Doug also gives his winners and losers from minicamp (both terms used loosely), which include the budding Drake Maye-A.J. Brown on-field connection.

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Doug Kyed and Michael Hurley discuss takeaways from Day 1 of Patriots minicamp, Christian Gonzalez, Kayshon Boutte, Gabe Jacas, Mike Vrabel, The Beach Boys and bad drivers on the latest Pats Chat Podcast.

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