Gary Marx welcomes Steve Yates, Senior Research Fellow for China and National Security at the Heritage Foundation, former White House Deputy Assistant for National Security Affairs, ex-President of Radio Free Asia, and host of the China Desk Podcast on Federal Newswire.
Amid Iran conflict fallout, they discuss Ukraine’s global military relevance: Ukrainian know-how now aiding Middle East allies against Iranian drone/missile swarms. They explore how U.S. awareness of Putin supplying Iran with intelligence (targeting American/allied interests) could reshape Russia-Ukraine peace talks.
The conversation pivots to Russia-China dynamics: historical rivalries, ethnic/civilizational differences, long border anxieties, resource competition in Russia’s Far East, Chinese labor migration tensions, and the fragile “no-limits” partnership (mafia-like self-interest over true alliance). Steve shares China Desk’s origin (Xi-era policy shifts, Federal Newswire launch), growth to nearly 100 episodes, and his path into China studies (accidental language pivot from Spanish to Chinese, NSA entry).
He outlines his advisory role at Heritage: advancing conservative policies for human flourishing, Asian Studies focus, and media commentary on national security. Essential for grasping Ukraine’s strategic edge, authoritarian alliances’ limits, and interconnected global threats.
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00:00:11 - Welcome to Peace and Power Ukraine
00:00:33 - Ukraine's Global Military Relevance Amid Iran Conflict
00:01:00 - Ukrainian Expertise vs. Iranian Drone/Missile Swarms
00:01:26 - Putin Supplying Intel to Iran: Impact on Russia-Ukraine Talks?
00:01:51 - Guest Intro: Steve Yates – Heritage, White House, China Desk
00:02:15 - Origin Story of China Desk Podcast
00:03:05 - New China Approach Under Xi & Policy Rethinking
00:03:49 - Podcast Growth & Federal Newswire Collaboration
00:04:04 - Where to Find China Desk Podcast
00:04:58 - Steve's Path to China Focus: From Spanish to Chinese
00:06:07 - Survival, Love & Language Mastery in Taiwan
00:07:10 - Entering Intelligence Community via NSA
00:08:03 - Big Picture: China-Russia Ties & Ukraine War
00:08:32 - Historical Echoes: Sino-Soviet Split & Geopolitics
00:09:00 - China's Role: Sanctions Evasion, Material Aid, UN Blocking
00:09:32 - Putin & Xi as Unique Leaders: Risks & Intelligence Gaps
00:10:14 - Viewing Regimes as Mafia Enterprises Over Nations
00:10:35 - China's Enabling of Russia's Ukraine Devastation
00:11:04 - Chinese Components in Russian/Iranian Weapons
00:11:56 - Supply Chains: Auto Analogy for Missiles/Drones
00:12:33 - Ukraine's Drone/Anti-Drone Stand & Tech Lessons
00:13:13 - Assessing Tech in Ukraine vs. Iran Conflicts
00:13:53 - Iran Conflict: Rational Lessons for Russia/China
00:14:42 - Puncturing BRICS/Decline Narratives
00:15:12 - Caveat: Rationality Gaps in Moscow/Beijing
00:15:33 - Axis of Aggression Weakening: Venezuela, Iran, Cuba Out
00:16:47 - Russia/China Isolation: Just Them + North Korea?
00:17:30 - India/Middle East Neighbors Rethinking Alliances
00:18:06 - Ukraine's View: Russia as Weak Partner for China
00:18:42 - China's Calculus: Bilateral World vs. West
00:19:01 - Chinese Views: No Gain in Distancing from Russia
00:19:55 - Post-Conflict: Don't Let China Profit from Reconstruction
00:20:59 - Axis Failures: No Aid to Syria/Venezuela/Iran
00:21:25 - Impact on Potential Partners' Trust
00:22:09 - Positive Shift: Abraham Accords, India Betting on West
00:22:51 - U.S. Energy Dominance & Sanctions Leverage
00:23:18 - Choke Points: U.S. Card Over China
00:23:42 - Rational China Cooling Jets on Regional Fights
00:24:03 - Russia/China History: Communist Splits & Marriages of Convenience
00:24:42 - Civilizational Distrust: Ethnic, Border, Resource Tensions
00:25:20 - Eurasian Divide: Russia European, China Asian
00:25:40 - Far East Labor Migration & Exploitation Concerns
00:26:04 - Historical Rivalries & Junior Partner Dynamics
00:26:47 - Steve at Heritage: Advisory Role & Policy Advocacy
00:27:47 - Heritage Focus: Conservative Human Flourishing
00:28:20 - Asian Studies, Media Commentary & National Security
00:28:44 - Where to Find Steve: heritage.org & @SteveYates on X
00:29:25 - One Key Takeaway: Cross-Fertilization of Themes
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