SURPRISE! My Christmas present to you is here - a conversation with Alisha Illian on Perfection. 

With the New Year just around the corner, it's all to easy to buy into the lie that if we just eat a little differently or wake up earlier or buy this or drink that, we can be better. More perfect. And that pursuit can leave us frustrated and hopeless if we let it be our ultimate driver and truth. 

We're discussing what true Biblical perfection is and how to think about it rightly as followers of Christ.