Michaell Art, as he is known professionally, brings a dramatically different perspective to consciousness than anything we have previously encountered or discussed on this show. Born Michaell Magrutsche, he is an Austrian-American who explored New Age concepts and found them to be somewhat helpful and somewhat wanting. As he presents his ideas in this episode, Walt finds himself having to translate Michaell's ideas into a sort of Esperanto in order to find common ground. Michaell spends a great deal of time discussing what he calls "systems", which he feels humans give too much power to. It takes awhile, but Walt finally realizes that when Michaell says "systems" he really means "externals". With that inflection point established, Michaell and Walt find a way toward what Michaell terms the "Mastermind", which is a slightly different way of thinking about that term than Walt usually thinks of it. All in all, it's a conversation that demonstrates by example how words can have very different meaning for different people, and until those people can find a way to translate, to build a sort of Esperanto, it can be very easy to get the wrong end of the stick based upon what the other person is saying. It's truly an experience with a very, very different perspective! Michaell's website:  https://michaellm.com/ Subscribe and share: https://www.loatoday.net/subscribe