Philip Van Cleave is the president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, a gun-rights organization that some consider more conservative than the NRA. The Virginia Citizens Defense League supports allowing guns on school grounds and college campuses as well as in libraries, government facilities and bars,and opposes universal background checks.

Dave talks with Philip about the red flag laws that have swept across states after the Parkland shooting, laws which allow a state court to temporarily take firearms away from a person if they are reported by family or police as a threat to themselves or others.