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Sara Washburn from eco gardens my Washburn with our monthly podcast. So my question is there's a lot of people in the upper Midwest that have blueberries and raspberries and apple trees and strawberries. What kind of things we have to do in the winter so that way our fruit bearers survive.

As far as Blueberry so you can definitely do the mulch thing around the root zone like we talked about putting these green leaves and healthy grass clippings around the root zone and in the spring then that's when you would remove those from the raspberries there are some varieties and you'll have to be careful about some varieties you can just part through and looked all the way to the ground. People that I know that just run their lawnmower right over the raspberries and they come back beautiful the next year. Some raspberry varieties though you may not want to ruin that short fruit tree. Hopefully the apples and big ones are harvested right now but as far as pruning goes fruit trees always prune trees 25 percent or less is that healthy for a mature tree. Winter I think it's the best time of her in those fruit trees. The old adage is you should prune them so that you can throw a hat through it but we want to get that fruit tree enough faith in the inside so that if there is fruit on the inside of both branches then the sunlight can get through them. And it also helps the airflow too.

What about for our perennials and are annuals and our flowers that we plant in our backyards.

Well at this point I would be for an annual is out you may have already started to fall out just because they're starting to feel pretty bad just simply because they take a lot of water. Well I mean they only have so long to live. Being an annual so those I would put in your yard waste bin or put them wherever you put your compost pile as long as they are disease free. It's about perennials so pruning back your perennials some of them maybe you are pretty good. That'd be balm if it got that powdery mildew on it that kind of thing. You can leave some of them and especially like the NHS which would be triple cornflower. There's a lot of seeds and those types of plants like a season and the birds will eat those as long as they're there and throughout the winter you know I say let it stand and drink a lot of lawns in the upper Midwest Sarah I have crippling Charlie and a mine included.

Is there a way to get rid of that or is this a good time of the year to tackle the creeping Charlee issues in our yards.

Yes it is absolutely a great time to try to tackle the creeping tritely problem right now because of the cooler days and the not so intense sunshine the cuticle of the Creeping Charlie Bean that is so waxy right now it is less likely to resist the chemical being put into it. Because our creeping Charlie and our plants are starting to think about going into dormancy.

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Dean does it costs money to have McHugh excavating come out and give me a bid for a job that will typically come out and you know if it's an hour two of our time just to look over your project and put some numbers together or kind of walk through what we suggest is possible fixes. That's free. It's if we get into something almost like engineering a solution then you know spending 5 10 15 20 hours and you know we either expect to have the job or or

expect to be paid something for the time. But just look at a project look at over pencil up some price and give you a proposal. There's no charge for that.

What's the benefit of hiring somebody local rather than getting you know somebody that maybe a few dollars cheaper from another community.

There's not a lot of that in the smaller residential work. Of course there isn't some larger stuff some of the public good kind of stuff. There will be folks from out of town building but you know if you ever have a question or a problem down the road I'm always shoes on the other foot I like to hire somebody local someone I know or somebody that I know knows them and I confident that they'll have a phone if I call them if I have a problem come back take a look at it whether it's going to take additional work or additional advice were raised here locally we're not going anywhere.

McHugh excavating hiring at the moment.

At the moment no color we have added some people this year. And I wouldn't be surprised if we add a few more here.

How does somebody go about applying for a job at McHugh excavating.

Well you can either stop in and ask for me or Steve will send our H.R. director or simpler yet I know a lot of people like to just look online at least for the initial step at our Web site. McHugh excavating that com there is a tab with a simplified version of our application. Click the link when you're done send it into us then we can always talk from there. We do have a more extended application we'd need before we hired someone but a lot of times that first more basic application can save a trip in or at least get you on our radar screen. If you've got a little bit of the type of experience we're looking for or at least start the conversation does McCue excavating work around to some degree. Yes we do have a number of our field employees that end up on winter lay off when work slows down and that varies year to year. The last few years we've had quite a bit of work. So there hasn't been a whole ton of layoff but it really it all depends on the winter. We do somewhat to work if it's available some of our stuff can be done in the winter. So for example a septic system can't be done in the winter. The street projects are tearing up the street you know wouldn't be able to get repaved so that can be done in the winter. But there are things that we do that can be done in the winter and when those opportunities hit at the right time of the year and maybe get started in the early fall and continue on into the winter those winters

a lot of the guys were quite a bit of the winter

Were you guys are hooligans.

WELL A friend of mine who lived over on the next street came to me for some reason we got the argument for something and I don't remember what it was.

He got so mad and he took a swing and he hit me in the head and it hurt his hand so bad that he had to go into the host haven't taken care of and he came out. I won't say crying but you know we whimpering because it still hurts so bad apologized for getting so bad and stuff.

Halloween trick or treating. We go on and never do dare. We knew there was nothing we'd be always be careful that we didn't do any damage to anything but we would make it known that we were there and. Maybe throw some toilet paper into the tree or something like that. I was amazed. I don't remember ever. Being with a bunch of guys were damaging something was one of us. The thing to do.

One time one of the streets was being repaired and there's all kinds of cement blocks and stuff. It was Halloween again and it was a side street. So we went out and made a barricade in the middle of it with the stick with the building materials you know if the car had to get around they could and we decorated it so the body would hit it.

So you kind of made you made a snow fort out of a building materials.

What are some other memories you have like that having a baseball and of course the baseball cards softball excuse me feel that the old Franklin but the diamond was here in right field was the principal's office on the second floor and the goal was who could get it far enough and high enough to put out one of the windows.

I was going to say Did anybody ever get anybody get a rack.

But it was one of those you know things that laughable don't get a kick about.

And we actually let her know that that was kind of a fun thing and she's oil is big enough and strong enough to have a ball she knew they would. And.

You know another memory I have is north of KMag. If you go a few miles north there's an old Norwegian church there that still does it really do to Fisks supper or dinner. I don't know if they still do. One time my two brothers guy and another couple people went up there sat at the table and looked around. And here is the elementary school teachers. I'll give one name that a concerned member my Zanders third grade wonderful and wonderful lady that loved every one of us and we all loved her. But she was also a wonderful teacher. But I don't remember the names of the other. But there was either four or five of them sitting there and we sat there and just had the most fun time talking about schooling at Franklin and eating Fisk Yeah you were one of them finally said My brother was sitting on the start on the sidewalk. And when he says to the waiter would you mind stirring the plate here. So it ends up there because no one ever gets by him.

That's the uniform in which appearance.

So we talked a little earlier about the the little houses and how the house you grew up in.

It's had a couple of different expansions if you will over the years. Could you imagine a family nowadays living into a house basically the size of the room that we're in right now.

No. It had a total of six hundred twenty square feet and one bathroom that also was the laundry room and other things. And they had one sink a shower and a stool. That was the toilet Lowe's kitchen which was half as big as this room. And that's where we eat also. And then two small bedrooms each one about two thirds the size of this room. And then the other was open area which was just a general living space. And then when I guess they got their first TV like it was out of the service and came back. I told the story about the fake TV stories that you know we just lived in and I don't mean the TMT family but we because I think I see I've shared this now with others that live didn't have a bead yet you know six square block area that I lived in. We lived a happy life.

Well first barbershop.

OK. That if you looked out my front window he was in the building right over there and we'd sit there and say Burr's barbershop membership because they have sat in the front of it. That would be nice. They would say that and it was a wonderful place a good place where people would hang the old waiting for their haircuts cause sunburn can garments were there and they were the barbers in almost every athletic team in the West know whatever would come in there for their haircuts. So they look great cool and then all all member the old folks and let him cut his hair. But there's another one down in the corner of the tavern is now where barbershops back in those days kind of territorial.

So you always went to bars and somebody always went to John sales and somebody I went to Smitty's and stuff like that.

You had your barber shop and frankly your barber and you know you mentioned before on George Street. That was the mind of the tavern's from Reon Sam's on the north down to Paris barbershop there's a tavern there now and he was there and then there's the whole building now.

And then the North Star the WW. And I can't think of the name of the other one but they weren't drunken places. There were places where people they had their their bar that they go and sit and talk and have a beer or two you know and that sort of thing. Do you remember your first beer. He was at the WWE tavern and just a very very small class and he was one I said when I'd go over there on a new year's eve and Christmas Eve also but New Year's Eve because Trinity Lutheran those days had a watch service at 11 to 12 Michael so I'd go pick up the in the tenor section at the w w we go down there and go on and one time they said here you deserve one. And you know just the littlest. Oh I know. All three owns classes like this and I don't know that he. Drank it all and they all got a kick out of it.

And a nice glass of Pepsi Pepsi would have them because I know we were on the Pepsi side of the Pepsi Coke for other than the north side of lacross called Just lacross or was it called Southside or was well what was the name of South of North lacross. Well we called it the south side on the north side but it was all the city of the cross and that.

We have heard crowd er side as they were this house I don't mean to put them down or anything but the south side was just spread so far. I can't remember the name of the man who developed what was the village shopping center before he developed that. If you drove up way back in the back corner about where the central football field is.

There was a small restaurant that was as far south as the Cross went.

Basically you know there were some housing and stuff but the that Evoque area ended there and then I can think of the man's name but he then the vote the village shopping centre which created a lot of other development and then the hoses that are south of there particularly on the east side were developed by a developer and he was basically copying the houses that were built up in Minneapolis. He may even come from there. I don't look at them when I used to do the history that I don't remember all that much but that's why so many of them look very much alike. Is that way the North Side is sometimes considered like Old Town and Old Town north because it was the where basically the Cross started and kind of spread out from here well there and the immediate downtown area you know Cass Street King Street Market Street and that sort of thing from there. Yeah there was there that was really the original lacross and the the rich. Don't tell anybody not to ask there was that the original among the patrons were there all of their homes the big ones and chaos and King those buying mansions.

That's where they lived were you ever friends with people from.

You mentioned Onalaska so like Onalaska or Kusum his cousin's mother and uncle he didn't work at the brewery and he'd ride in there and stuff and he died like my father at a very young age. He's my father's brother but the air telephone operation from Alaska was in their living room it was all very small it was just a very very small community all the way through the the fifties kind of a troublemaker.

It's a bit I'm a person who loves to put ideas out there and maybe even get people to think about things

I know that a lot of big box stores. I mean heck you can buy them almost anywhere nowadays even the grocery store has those. You like Deira flame type logs and things like that are those good are safe to burn in your fireplace.

Everything's OK to burn in your fireplace except for wax candles as long as you get it inspected and if it necessarily clean every year.

Do people call you when they're buying a house or moving into a different house because they want to see if the chimney is is is workable and usable.

Absolutely. For many realtors or be referred by many home inspectors to have a fireplace properly inspected due to their moving in or moving out. We're doing we're doing the functionality of a fireplace chimney.

Chad why would somebody use an easy carry insta great rather than buying the big old you know old school grade that I remember my parents and my grandparents had in their fireplaces.

Well the easy carry integrate as it informs in its name was developed for the chimney sweep so they could offer a great to the people of the public so they don't have to go to a big box store to buy a great it's ready for them to burn as soon as we leave.

Nor are they something that needs to be replaced very often.

Definitely a question about how much you burn and what you burn on it. So the more you burn the more the. Well I mean it's a piece of metal. No matter if you buy a big a big one little one it's all going to depending on how thick it is and how much you burn.

I know that you talked in the past about being a certified chimney technician. What makes you different than you know Joe Schmo from down the street that goes ahead cleans chimneys.

I'm not just a certified Sumii technician I'm a certified master technician. I've been certified for 14 years. Got my master's. And you've gone through all the steps to prove that you actually are proficient in what you're what you're inspecting fixing and repairing and you've proven that you know what you're doing by taking a path that is not required by the states to take. But it is absolutely a valuable task to take to prove that you know what you're doing in a fireplace in the street. We are the most reviewed chimney company that I'm aware of in the country we're four point eight rated Google readings with the most reviews in Dallas Texas. And as for home adviser were the most reviewed company that they have in the chimney the fireplace industry in the country. It is.

As we start changing seasons here in the upper Midwest sir Washburn of course from Eagle gardens by Washburn. My biggest question right now yes is what do we do in order to get our gardens ready for the last harvest or for you know putting it away for the winter.

L'autre is a big issue. We're still going to be watering omelets every day even though we just got about how many inches of rain in our area. I know it sounds crazy to keep watering your plants but they need that healthy drink specially evergreen all your woody shrub that you've just planted. Although this is a really good time to plant pride it isn't ready for the changing season. Some people like to cut down their native grasses or they like to prune things to the ground right now which is OK but in my mind I like to leave them up until spring. Just because they're beneficial live in there and when I say beneficials I mean beneficial insects and it also gives our other beneficial like pollinators. Even a mouse can be a pollinator. Believe it or not. So you've given them habitat over the winter and you're in your ornamental grasses. If you have time in the spring to wait I say wait but otherwise even your plants a good mulching perhaps with some leaves that you collected or some straws or even some grass put in weed free of course and then you can remove that lots when spring time comes. So what you're doing is essentially your mulching your going to protect them.

So do we want to add the grass then to our garden. After we pull over. So in my example I've got my garden that I've got planted I've got tomatoes and peppers and squash. And I think that's all I have.

Oh and cucumbers this year. So do I want to hold those plants up and then kill off everything that's do I want to Roundup them. Everything that didn't get pulled up because there's a lot of weeds this year.

No definitely yes. Pull out your vegetable plants that are no longer producing fruit and you can eat them into the ground. If they don't have any disease issues. Otherwise you can put them in your yard. We've been an island to the site or put them wherever you put them. I would not roundup anything because basically you're kind of just wasting roundup simply because if you're going to plant in there and you're putting it to bed many of those are annual weeds and they won't come back next season until perhaps the weed seeds get stirred up again by Rodo chilling or just simply by blowing in your garden and growing in optimal temps. Definitely pulling out your plants and in fact if you wanted to introduce more nitrogen into your soil you could plant to cover crop. Some people plant a rye grass. Some people plants LCL from those types of things that you can just plant the winter cover crops.

So like I said if the nitrogen back into your soil which your plant or vegetable plants need so if you just if you end up just pulling them and now planting that can you put grass clippings over the top of that or like you mentioned leaves submental that'll also help with the nitrogen put it back into your for soil absolutely cover your whole garden with deadly away from disease.

Or quirk sample maple trees have a disease called Parisot and although that is cosmetic to the tree meaning that it doesn't hurt the tree it's just something that happens and the only way you can really get rid of it is by removing the leaves from the site that if you leave in your garden you are actually spreading the car but not you just want to sprinkle that on top or you want the upset him. I would just let it lay on top if you run a rototiller right now. You could otherwise I just wait till frame and let it naturally decompose on its own. But also when you are using the rototiller You are disturbing the soil underneath your feet and there's a lot of good microbes and microorganisms down there that are doing their job and when you disturb them. Some people call it organic farming or organic gardening. If you're using a rototiller instead of a broad fork you deserve the soil so much more. And basically you're working against yourself.

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Why should somebody hire McHugh excavating.

Well Tyler our goal to help our customers find a solution to their problem and to do the job right the first time.

Is it hard to come up with a solution.

Well it depends. You know sometimes what one thinks might be the solution there might be something else that works better. Some of our guys with variety and years of experience might have something to propose that might work a little bit better than what was being thought of or at least throw a couple options out there in front of the customer. This this probably will take care of your problem but maybe your problem could come up again in the future or this is kind of an overboard solution. But if you do it this way and have the extra money in your budget spend you probably can cover yourself to you know make Will. Heck look at what we've been experiencing here in the last few weeks here with the rain. You know you can't you can't predict some of these events and some of these events wipe out you know stuff lose engineered for 100 year flood. You know sometimes even a 2 or 3 inch rainfall can wreak havoc on something. Sometimes customer might say. Yes for peace of mind. You know I want to go with a little bit more expensive solution because I've got a lot more confidence that that isn't going to get knocked out in unexpected weather event.

Well I'm guessing too that sometimes those more expensive fixes may not even be that much more expensive because you know what you're supposed to do and how to do it and you can come up with a better solution based on your knowledge compared to what the customer knows that a lot of times it isn't that much more to go to a different solution.

Or sometimes we have a cheaper solution to what was being thought of to better customers love to see that.

So it's a benefit of hiring McHugh excavating over hiring do it myself.

Well a lot of times I've been there myself with home to take projects something looks like I can handle it on a weekend maybe go to the home improvement store and grab a couple of things when I get to do it through Project and wish I would have never opened it up. Sometimes you don't anticipate what we're going to run into hiring us and our expertise usually can save you a lot of headaches of maybe having to go ahead and call someone after you try it first.

I'm guessing everybody listening has probably had some of those projects themselves where they're like oh yeah I can replace that or yeah I can I can I can put that up on there.

Yeah.

It's probably better to call somebody that knows what they're doing you know and some people have access to smaller equipment like maybe a bobcat on the farm or a brother or an uncle or somebody and you know sometimes that stuff works out just fine too. And I've had situations where I'll tell some you know I had a situation actually in the spring where I knew back in high school. He called about his daughter's place called was washed out. I looked at a game of price and he says Well jeez you know I have access to a bobcat and I can put my own time and I can go buy the culvert locally here and I said Yeah you know this is a pretty simple job I don't think you're going to go wrong there. So we'll tell you you know we'll tell you whether we think you could get yourself in trouble or if you have the access to the equipment and either yourself or someone else says a little bit of expertise. We'll just tell you if we think you should go ahead. You know we think it's something that you can handle and be fine.

You know I said that we didn't have a car and many of the neighbors didn't and all the people that did they just sat in the garage 90 percent of the time and the number of people that I have oh we didn't have a car. No. People my age 75 to 80 in that day.

So cars were not the norm at all and rode the bus or the streetcar actually.

Let's talk about the streetcars because I moved across in 1992 and they were long gone for before I moved here.

When did they kind of fall out of favor.

Well they didn't fall out of favor so much as they simply replaced Barry their technology and a bus system and that sort of thing but they were the lifeblood kind of all of us landed on our side because I was the one who made a big circle and one side of that circle was right up George Street and George Street can be accessed from the east and west and the other one I think went up Lumas street to prospect one of those anyway and made a big loop there and came back to George Street.

There was a little hose on the corner with a flat roof.

That's thing I really can remember that house is still there but it's been updated with more space than a regular roof and everything but that's where it made the turn to go south again. Very little was north of that of that time because all letch Shopko Bay Area thing that's created much much much later. But people walk like I said earlier you know in the morning all of the workers at the electric light it looked like the lemmings heading to the sea. Let's talk about the downtown area the north side downtown because now it's kind of considered like Caledonia's street and stuff as it always has always been the case the downtown there is a men's store and a shoe store on the Riviera Theatre and of course the sweet shop and the St. James Catholic Church. And you know a lot of other things there. There's a women's store that was still there when we came back from a military which would have been in 1960 a number of stores are still there. The men's store and McCann's and a shoe store Klinkner and Jenssen. None of us sir anymore. So but you know didn't have to go downtown to shop. We had basically whatever you needed right there on the Caledonia's street. And then there were a few other shops like on George Street. There was a shoe stop in a hardware store that sold a variety of things right across the street kind of from my dad's grocery store and a few other small stores. The buildings are there but the stores aren't there anymore.

Right. What was there to do for teenagers.

The sweetshop turps restaurant where the old Logan was the tennis courts and athletic fields were just to the south of it. But then right on nextstep street Terpstra had the cafeteria and police were kids at the nurse doing well come in sit around have a soda have a dish of ice cream or whatever and hang out and talk. And then there was the sweet shop and walking down the sweetshop was a we didn't go to the main door because there was a restaurant and the sweet shop welcomed us to just go in there hang out get the booze talk and have a loose end.

And then of course being neighborhoods like in the summertime we had a continual bowl game softball game going.

Could you see kids nowadays. Bell actually living the simple life like you did when you were a kid.

No frankly on that simple life left the South Side much earlier simply because the more involved things to do because of the university being there and the the campus school and the terrible with the women's kinds of things and other institutions. Well you the vocational school had that big auditorium and stuff. So there's a lot of things going on there and being a vocational school was a welcoming place. As for. You know youth to go.

Now a lot of times when I watch some of the old school TV shows or you know even like a Lawrence Welk when I was a kid there was you know people that were out there dancing and things like that was there a place or a dance hall or you know a get together for teenagers or maybe between teenager years and being married years wrote.

Hey the schools have with the called the jive high school had a very very good swing band and Friday nights are Saturdays when they're here at Central and Logan.

There was a dance and you'd go and dance and walk around. They were always looking ahead at me because we had that big Jim and it was in the gym and in your room. So the swimming would be set up in the balcony and when.

And the dance floor. And if you were dancing you were with somebody or a guy or gal just walking the pruner this drink and maybe singing.

And there's just a whole different life so similar to like watching some of those Ginger Rogers movies and things like that when they're actually singing and dancing.

I mean the world really was that way back in the day the rose colored glasses were always on the up.

And it was it was wonderful and rehearsed is a word I've used several times. We used to ride our bikes by the way everywhere and we go climb the bluff third by Gillette's roots up. We just ride on a bunch of Gillette's street leaning over against the tree at the base of the bluff KwaNdebele of all day and snow come back down right back in the late 40s or 50s. I don't remember ever worrying about having their Breakstone was your crime back then that you remember the crime.

Yeah it did. It read it could be like a dead woman for instance. Stores weren't rude about shoplifting and stuff because there's immorality in the people also about right and wrong and to shoplift something wouldn't hinder some of that.

I wonder if there is a fear of that of the mom and dad. Because I remember one night when I was a kid I remember taking a candy bar. I got spanked. A stand in the corner. I had to bring the candy bar back and tell the guy that I took it and I think he made me work too. Nowadays I don't think kids have the fear of their parents.

No you are. Well because parents haven't said you don't intimidate your children you'll be nice to your children.

You never touch them emotionally or physically. And so there's no discipline that really works anymore. But if you're a good writer and family discipline and I can remember I'd walk by my grandma and grandpa house and go in there and there was share with them that I don't remember it bad but them cure I remembered as caring about me.

Right. So anyway but you get it right in the head of the way. Yes.

Let's talk about some of the other businesses what are some of the businesses that you remember that used to be there that are no longer around.

Well like I said there was Kyung on your street. I don't remember the name of the women's store but it was on the corner of Caledonia and I'm quite sure on the other end the department store. And then a shoe store coming to them and they were there when Quittner and Johnson and the McCann MEND's.

OK. What about your your your father's grocery store. I know that you said in one of the previous podcasts that he had passed on and your mom ranted after that. What happened to the story eventually.

Well he an electrician was a big electrical contracting business on the north side. He wanted to he moved his business and that sort of thing because there were story Jotan back and all that and he had my mom run the office. After that I went into nothing to remember. But no it's really that big.

They didn't. It's a haircutting Siliguri and it takes up what was a store and was the vacant lot.

So did the store shell get torn down to build that build what's there now. Because I know that the house you grew up in is still there. So there now is that the same look that that house had from the front.

But if you go down the alley it's been handed down and you know there's no yard anymore. In fact we used to have a swimming pool. My dad had when me not a concrete.

That was about three feet deep at its deepest to a Schallert two feet and you're still bleeding. And then in the wintertime we'd have a hockey rink skating rink out there. And that what we call the vacant lot. I mentioned there time about the little hole it was there. Well in that there was a whole city a lot from the street all the way to the alley and a good part of that was vacant. In front there wasn't a basement area in front of that was what would have been going on for that whole set burned down many many years ago. And behind it the backyard is where we have our hockey rink and on the very end of it our swimming pool not just all the friends in the neighborhood would come over and skate play hockey. And of course in those days the goods were brought in wire baskets of lettuce and. And what we do is we take two of those and make those goals for the hockey rink.