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  • Episode 39: Rilke's Panther & The Cage of Self - Part II (Empathy)

    At the end of the 19th Century, art, and the study of art known as aesthetics, became a common point of convergence for two other new disciplines: Psychoanalysis, with its focus on unconscious/indirect experience, and Phenomenology, which in contrast to psychoanalytic psychology, sought to investigate consciousness and direct experience.

    Psychologists at the time began to see how looking at people’s emotional responses to art, and the motivations that drove some to create it, could help explain aspects of human nature that had never been fully grasped before. One of these psycho-spiritual conundrums might be conceptualised by the follow question: What is a Self - which is to say: an “I”, a conscious, as well as self-conscious Ego? Also: what universal or variable factors might lie at the heart of such a phenomenon?

    A crucial piece of this puzzle, in terms of understanding ourselves and others, arrived in the shape of something that the German philosopher Theodor Lipps called Einfühlung (“feeling into” or empathy). Freud used this notion of empathy in trying to “feel into” the inner world of himself and his patients in ways that had never been attempted before, and so did the young (26 year old) Rainer Maria Rilke, who had studied with Lipps, and was now setting out to apply these ideas in his writing.

    Rilke would also learn about empathy at the knee of the sculptor August Rodin, who suggested he might like to empathically “regardez les animaux” (look at the animals) at the Jardin Des Plantes in Paris, where they were kept for this purpose. In applying himself to this special kind of looking, beginning with the task of watching a panther and writing about it, Rilke would learn not only something essential about himself, but also about the nature of the Egoic Self in general.

    In this episode, we get a little bit closer to that understanding.

    --

    Transcript: http://stevewasserman.co.uk/rilkes-panther-the-cage-of-self/

    28 min
  • Episode 38: Rilke's Panther & The Cage of Self - Part I (Hysteria)

    On the 1st of May 1889, the young (33 year old) psychoanalyst-on-the-make Sigismund Schlomo Freud took on the case of a “a lady of about forty years of age”, a Frau Emmy von N., who we now know to be the Swiss noblewoman Baroness Fanny Louise von Sulzer-Wart. 

    Baroness Fanny had married 29 years previously at the tender age of 23 the 65 year-old Swiss watchmaker and industrialist Heinrich Moser, who died 4 years after the marriage from a heart attack. In the minds of Moser’s five children from his previous marriage, the idea got around that Fanny might have toe-tagged their father after having him sire her two new Moser offspring with birthright claims to his vast fortune.

    This is the first time that Freud decides to give his friend Josef Breuer’s technique of “investigation under hypnosis” a try-out as he attempts to help his new patient with her suffering somatizations (resembling very much the symptoms of Fibromyalgia today). Freud starts using techniques which will in time become (after he has ditched the overt hypnosis angle) his own special contribution to human animal therapeutics.

    What have these initial forays into our so-called "hysterical" human Egos (Freud's word for the Ego was simply "Ich", I) got to do with a poem that Rainer Maria Rilke would write a decade or so later about a panther he'd spent a day watching behind bars in the Jardin des Plantes, in Paris? 

    This first episode (part of a trio) begins exploring this koan, trying to join up some of these dots between one of Freud's first talking cure patients (Emmy/Fanny), with Joseph Mortimer Granville's invention of the medical vibrator (the percuteur) in 1880 and its uses by male doctors on their female patients' genitalia; James Strachey's mistranslations of Freud's Ich into Ego and the effect this would have on psychoanalytic thought and practice, and David Attenborough being chased around the Scottish Highlands by a large, angry grouse called The Caipercaillie.

    Poems discussed in this episode:

    THE PANTHER

    His vision, from the constantly passing bars,

    has grown so weary that it cannot hold
    anything else. It seems to him there are
    a thousand bars; and behind the bars, no world.

    As he paces in cramped circles, over and over,

    the movement of his powerful soft strides
    is like a ritual dance around a center
    in which a mighty will stands paralyzed.

    Only at times, the curtain of the pupils lifts, quietly–.

    An image enters in,
    rushes down through the tensed, arrested muscles,
    plunges into the heart and is gone.

    -Rainer Maria Rilke (English translation by Stephen Mitchell)

    --

    FIRST FOOTNOTE ON ZOOMORPHISM

    It seems we have said too little about

    the heart, per se,

    how it sits in its chambered nub

    of grease and echo

    listening for movement in the farthest

    reed beds — any feathered thing will do,

    love being interspecific, here,

    more often than we imagine.

    If anything, I’d liken us to certain

    warblers, less appealing in the wild

    than how we’d look

    in coloured lithographs,

    yet now and then, I’m on the point of

    hearing
    bitterns at the far edge of the lake,

    that cry across the marshes like the doom

    you only get in books, where people die

    so readily for love, each heart becomes

    a species in itself, the sound it makes

    distinctive, one more descant in the dark,

    before it disappears into the marshes.

    -John Burnside

    --

    Transcript: http://stevewasserman.co.uk/rilkes-panther-the-cage-of-self/

    18 min
  • Episode 37: To Be Real

    What does it mean to be real. REALLY real? To be telling each other alive about each other alive etc.

    I look to Mary Oliver’s Ten Commandments for living the good life, as well as her very Enneagram Nine-ish poem I Want To Write Something So Simply. Rilke’s Book of Hours also gets a look-in, as does WS Graham's Language Koan, Becker's Denial of Death, and Lizzo (avec Sasha).

    Part of this must surely involve a very real "coming into Presence", which R.S. Thomas calls in The Bright Field,  “that pearl of great price”? And what better way to do that than through the Incomparable Cosmic Verve of Cheryl Lynn circa 1978.


    40 min
  • Episode 37: Poems for Ma (Mary Oliver's Wild Geese)

    My mother is ageing. Her cognitive capacities are declining, but her wisdom and life experience are at their peak. In my Poems for Ma podcast, I try to tap into the latter, whilst being aware of the former. 

    Every few days, on my Poems for Ma podcast, I send Ma a poem I think she might like with some questions I have about the poem which I'm interested in talking about with her. I read the poem aloud and then we chat about the themes in this poem, enjoying each other's company. 

    The first poem we embark on together is Mary Oliver's Wild Geese.

    Please consider subscribing to Poems for Ma if you'd like to hang out with us occasionally: [iTunes link] [Spotify link]

    37 min
  • Episode 36: The Tower (Robert Frost's Fire and Ice)

    An exploration of The Tower via Frost's Fire and Ice.


    The Tower is an archetype which invites us to explore and consider sudden change, upheaval, and chaos in our lives, as well as a kind of revelation or awakening sometimes associated with the word "enlightenment" as it is sometimes linked to personal transformation. 

    This particular exploration of The Tower, we make together via the following cultural stepping stones: 

    • Irene Solà's novel When I Sing, Mountains Dance
    • Nichiren and his Soka Gakkai chums chanting of Namu Myōhō Renge Kyō
    • Shunryu Suzuki's Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind
    • Robert Frost's poem Fire and Ice:
    • Some say the world will end in fire,

      Some say in ice.
      From what I’ve tasted of desire
      I hold with those who favor fire.
      But if it had to perish twice,
      I think I know enough of hate
      To say that for destruction ice
      Is also great
      And would suffice.

      • Sessions with my shrink "Magic Mike" discussing the end of a relationship
      • Giant waterfalls
      • Woody Allen's opening monologue to Annie Hall
      • Mumford & Sons' cover of Bruce Springsteen's I'm On Fire
      • Siddhartha Gautama's first "podcast" (The Four Noble Truths, with a focus on his "thirsting" (Second Truth) of Taṇhā
      • Siddhartha Gautama's second "podcast" (the Adittapariyaya Sutta - The Fire Sermon) which has also been turned into the following poem:
      • ALL IS ARDOUR


        All is ardour burning & blaze
        Eye is ardour ear is ardour
        nose lips tongue ardour
        mind ardour body ardour
        burning burning burning away.

        Sound burning scent burning
        taste burning touch burning
        incandescent bone fires burning
        burning pleasure burning pain<

        37 min
      • Poetry Koan Update :-)

        Hello, hello! 

        Just wanting to touch base with you if you are still subscribed to this feed to talk about two new poetry-related projects I'm working on at the moment:

        -The Tarot Cure: 

        Is the elusive "cure" of our (unwanted) selves, promised to us by therapy, possible through the archetypes of a Tarot deck?

        -Poems for Ma: 

        Chatting about poetry with my mother as she faces dementia and her own demise in the next few years.



        9 min
      • Episode 35: To Love life? To Love it? (Ellen Bass's The Thing Is)

        Accepting the mixed-bag Now of our lives. Hard.

        --

        THE THING IS


        to love life, to love it even
        when you have no stomach for it
        and everything you’ve held dear
        crumbles like burnt paper in your hands,
        your throat filled with the silt of it.
        When grief sits with you, its tropical heat
        thickening the air, heavy as water
        more fit for gills than lungs;
        when grief weights you down like your own flesh
        only more of it, an obesity of grief,
        you think, How can a body withstand this?
        Then you hold life like a face
        between your palms, a plain face,
        no charming smile, no violet eyes,
        and you say, yes, I will take you
        I will love you, again.

        -Ellen Bass

        -- 

        Full text of this episode can be found here: http://stevewasserman.co.uk/amor-fati/

        --

        Audio used in episode (in order of occurence): 

        -Jon & the Nightriders - Rumble at Waikiki: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41YvSrk5paQ&t=81s

        -Can't Stop The Feeling (Justin Timberlake) - Original Piano Arrangement by Maucoli: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MpOfn4rDcU

        -ET: https://open.spotify.com/album/1Wcggztq9SspsBeXcrnHZo?highlight=spotify:track:3VVilIGlUJ6tIirr7GGCHs

        -Night Flight - Say Yes (Elliot Smith Cover): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnQ0ac8A8hk

        -A Day In The Life (Orchestra Overdub): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecybFp71bnc

        -Reading of The Thing Is (Ellen Bass): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JONWgsZ6vm8

        -Steven C. Hayes talking about Feeling & Experiential Avoidance: https://www.soundstrue.com/collections/authors-steven-c-hayes/products/acceptance-and-commitment-therapy

        -Extract from Bernard Malamud's A New Life: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Penguin-Twentieth-Century-Classics/dp/0140186816/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=a+new+life+malamud&qid=1624180687&sr=8-1

        -Jane Hirshfield reading her poem Amor Fati: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/92039/amor-fati 

        -Extract from The Gay Science: https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/The-Gay-Science-The-Joyful-Wisdom-Audiobook/B01EWAXDI4?qid=1624180836&sr=1-1&ref=a_search_c3_lProduct_1_1&pf_rd_p=c6e316b8-14da-418d-8f91-b3cad83c5183&pf_rd_r=ZN7BMAJ44S0DHR5PPNXE

        -Susan Buffam reading her poem Amor Fati: https://www.lyrikline.org/en/poems/amor-fati-4435

        -“Kindness” by Naomi Shihab Nye, A Poetry Film by Ana Pérez López: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFLQOOiAqxQ&t=15s

        -Elliott Smith ~ Say Yes (Live in Stockholm): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOnHEApbjV0

        -Itzhak Perlman plays Fiddler on the Roof (John Williams Los Angeles Philharmonic): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h745la-Lo1I

        -Neil De Grasse Tyson giving an overview of our 65 million year-old hominid evolutionary history: https://samharris.org/podcasts/252-alone-universe/

        -Can't Stop The Feeling by Justin Timberlake Live (Downbeat LA Cover): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGz7Nbaavgg&ab_channel=DownbeatDownbeat

        -Hakeem Oluseyi waxing lyrical about astrophysics: https://www.startalkradio.net/show/a-quantum-life-with-hakeem-oluseyi/

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        This episode is proudly sponsored by the poem Amor Fati by Susan Buffam.


        1 hr 11 min
      • Episode 34: Bryony Littlefair's Tara Miller

        So I had this idea for a new strand on PK called Voice Noets With Poets. An audio gratitude (delivered as voice note) to some of my favourite makers about their work. In each episode you might hear my voice-note to them, and their voice note back, accompanied by other pleasant bleeps and bloops as part of the sonic package. I did one of these with Bryony Littlefair, and then ran out of steam, but I still like this one!

        —

        TOPICS COVERED (In Order of Appearance): Tara Miller (poem); “hooks” in songs and poems; the workings of desire (what is desire using us for?); interruption in poetic narrative; affectionate abuse / ambivalent intimacies; the (un)blemished truths about ourselves/others; long-legged vs short-legged happiness; Jane Hirshfield’s giraffes (Articulation, An Assay); many-jointed expressive structures in poetry; conceptual untidiness; Colette Bryce’s giraffes (The Hopes); random influences & unhinged delight; the post-depressive giraffe of serendipitous happiness; Tully (spoilers); suburbia (no spoilers); “I could speak and I was happy. / Or: I could speak, thus I was happy. / Or: I was happy, thus speaking." (Louise Glück; nostalgic anxiety; the joy of inconclusiveness; terrible at pub quizzes; And it was at that age … / Poetry arrived / in search of me." (Neruda poem); identification with Dorianne Laux's After Twelve Days of Rain; I have always loved too much,

        / or not enough; hatless in the rain; the freedom of writing from a place of unknowing; making it as someone who makes it simple and sad.

        This episode is proudly sponsored by the poem CHANCE DARKENED ME:

        Chance darkened me

        as a morning darkens,
        preparing to rain.
        It goes against its arc,
        betrays its clock-hands.
        The day was a dark-eyed giraffe,
        its unfathomable legs
        kept walking.
        A person is not a day,
        not rain,
        no gentle eater of high leaves.
        I did not keep walking.
        The day inside me,
        legs and lungs, kept walking.

        -Jane Hirshfield


        1 hr 33 min
      • EPISODE 33: You're To Blame! (Lydia Davis's The Mother, Larkin's This Be The Verse, and Russell Edson's The Optical Prodigal)

        THE MOTHER

        The girl wrote a story. “But how much better it would be if you wrote a novel,” said her mother. The girl built a dollhouse. “But how much better if it were a real house,” her mother said. The girl made a small pillow for her father. “But wouldn’t a quilt be more practical,” said her mother. The girl dug a small hole in the garden. “But how much better if you dug a large hole,” said her mother. The girl dug a hole and went to sleep in it. “But how much better if you slept forever,” said her mother.

        -Lydia Davis

        THIS BE THE VERSE 

        They fuck you up, your mum and dad.

        They may not mean to, but they do.
        They fill you with the faults they had
        And add some extra, just for you.
        But they were fucked up in their turn
        By fools in old-style hats and coats,
        Who half the time were soppy-stern
        And half at one another’s throats.
        Man hands on misery to man.
        It deepens like a coastal shelf.
        Get out as early as you can,
        And don’t have any kids yourself.

        -Philip Larkin

        THE OPTICAL PRODIGAL

        A man sees a tiny couple in the distance, and thinks they might be his mother and father. But when he gets to them they're still little. You're still little, he says, don't you remember? Who said you were supposed to be here? says the little husband. You're supposed to be in your own distance; you're still in your own foreground, you spendthrift. No no, says the man, you're to blame.

        -Russell Edson

        With additional audio clips and references to: 

        Love, Love, Love By Mike Bartlett. The Lyric Hammersmith Theatre production (recorded under lockdown): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000k26n

        Astor Piazzolla's Las Estaciones - Otono Porteno, Violin. Arabella Steinbacher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1BR55bOmg

        This American Life, Episode 672, "No Fair!": https://www.thisamericanlife.org/672/no-fair

        Nadine Labaki's Capernaum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULUo0048xZE

        Sam Harris's Free Will: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-Will-Sam-Harris/dp/1451683405

        Peter Strawson's essay "Freedom and Resentment: http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/P._F._Strawson_Freedom_&_Resentment.pdf

        West Side Story - "Gee Officer Krupke!": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7TT4jnnWys&t=2s

        My Name is Lucy Barton by Elizabeth Strout: https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/My-Name-Is-Lucy-Barton-Audiobook/B01AX00OH0

        1 hr 39 min
      • EPISODE 32: Am I Wasting My Life? Are YOU Wasting Your Life? (James Wright's Lying in a Hammock at William Duffy’s Farm in Pine Island, Minnesota)

        Lying in a Hammock at William Duffy’s Farm in Pine Island, Minnesota

        Over my head, I see the bronze butterfly,

        Asleep on the black trunk,
        Blowing like a leaf in green shadow.
        Down the ravine behind the empty house,
        The cowbells follow one another
        Into the distances of the afternoon.
        To my right,
        In a field of sunlight between two pines,
        The droppings of last year’s horses
        Blaze up into golden stones.
        I lean back, as the evening darkens and comes on.
        A chicken hawk floats over, looking for home.
        I have wasted my life.

        -James Wright

        Shook as we all are at the moment by global pandemics, and social protest, perhaps this is a good time to think about what wasting our lives and those of others might look like. And what about not-wasting? How to define as well as apply that to our lives? I reflect on this koan via Mike Leigh's 1993 film Naked, Jean Renoir's 1932 film Boudu Saved from Drowning, Harold Brodkey's short story "Dumbness is Everything", and the philosopher Robert Kane's ideas about three dimensions of value that stack up or make up the landscape and inscape of our lives. 

        Transcript and shownotes (including links to films discussed which you can watch for free online): http://stevewasserman.co.uk/am-i-wasting-my-life-are-you-wasting-your-life-james-wrights-lying-in-a-hammock-at-william-duffys-farm-in-pine-island-minnesota/

        1 hr 8 min

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