In this episode of the Thinking Talmudist Podcast, Rabbi Aryeh Wolbe explores Parshas Chukas (Numbers 21:4-9) and Tractate Pesachim 56a, focusing on the episode of the poisonous serpents sent to punish the Jewish people for their complaints against God and Moshe, and the subsequent copper serpent created by Moshe as a divine remedy. He explains that the serpents were a measure-for-measure punishment for Lashon Hara (evil speech) and ingratitude, mirroring the primeval serpent’s slander against God, which led to its curse of eating tasteless dust. The copper serpent, when gazed upon with proper intention toward God, healed those bitten, symbolizing a call to look heavenward and reconnect with Hashem. Rabbi Wolbe highlights King Chizkiyahu’s destruction of this serpent and concealment of a book of remedies, as approved by the sages, because people began idolizing these objects instead of seeking repentance and divine connection. He connects this to the broader theme of affliction as a divine message for introspection, citing personal experiences like a burn during Passover preparations that prompted self-reflection and miraculous pain relief. Addressing Marilyn’s question about genetic illnesses, Rabbi Wolbe suggests that such predispositions are divine warnings, not destinies, as some with similar genes remain unaffected, urging introspection to correct spiritual flaws. He emphasizes that all events, from personal ailments to global incidents, are tailored messages from Hashem to foster growth and closeness, concluding with a blessing for health and a Shabbos filled with divine connection.

This Podcast Series is Generously Underwritten by David & Susan Marbin

Recorded at TORCH Meyerland in the Levin Family Studios to a live audience on July 4, 2025, in Houston, Texas.
Released as Podcast on September 17, 2025

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Keywords:
#Talmud, #DivineJustice, #Gratitude, #Serpent, #CopperSerpent, #MeasureforMeasure, #DivineMessages, #Illness