This conversation investigates the fundamental challenges of a capitalism and outlines a vision for a post-growth economy that better achieves a just, sustainable society. Our guest, Donnie MacLurcan, is the founder and Executive Director of the Post Growth Institute. He's one of the most brilliant thinkers we've met on new economics.

In this episode Jenny and Donnie discuss:

• Defining post-growth economics [2:23]
• Distinction between capitalism and market economies [6:23]
• Capitalism, accumulation, and debt [7:32]
• Debt and money creation [10:04]
• Capitalism and debt accumulation [17:51]
• One planet lifestyles [20:31]
• Ecological limits, technology and Jevon's Paradox [22:23]
• Manfred Max-Neef, Maslow's heirarchy and universal needs [24:24]
• Defining a full circle economy [26:40]
• Circularity and indigenous cultures [27:43]
• Nonprofits vs. not-for profit [29:30]
• Prevalance of not-for-profit enterprise around the world [31:27]
• Industrial foundations [36:34]
• The problem with co-ops [38:18]
• Transitioning to a post-growth economy [40:28]
• Asset based community development [41:01]
• Post-growth economics and geopolitics [45:43]
• Sources for hope [49:32]

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