In this episode of the Denizen podcast, host Jenny Stefanotti and activist Julia Rhodes Davis delve into the concept of 'white work,' which goes beyond confronting and dismantling racialized identities. They discuss the importance of understanding personal legacy, taking accountability for ancestors' actions, and taking actions individually to repair past harms. They also discuss the inner, interpersonal, and cultural aspects of this work. Julia emphasizes the importance of ongoing practice within a community setting.

00:00 Introduction to Solidarity and Whiteness

01:22 Meet Julia Rhodes Davis

01:34 Exploring White Work

02:13 Putting White Work within the Denizen Inquiry

02:32 Julia's Background and Evolution

05:25 Understanding Racialized Capitalism

07:51 Personal Stories and Ancestral Context

11:30 The Inner Work of Racial Justice

25:42 Misguided White Work and Diversity

32:17 White Work as a Lifelong Practice

33:17 Understanding Shame and Discomfort in Anti-Racism Work

34:57 Circles of Practice: Community and Storytelling

38:36 Depersonalizing and Understanding Racial Conditioning

46:41 The Role of Inner Work in Anti-Racism

48:28 Exploring Power Dynamics in Relationships

51:18 Rupture and Repair in Relationships

57:12 Building Solidarity Against Fascism

59:40 Closing Remarks and Community Engagement

Resources:

• Julia's website and writings: https://www.jrdavis.me/
• White Supremacy Culture - Still Here, Tema Okun

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We are incredibly fortunate to welcome Tema Okun to the Denizen podcast for this important conversation. Tema is the author of the influential 1999 paper "White Supremacy Culture" and has been a leader in the racial justice movement for over 35 years. In this insightful episode, Jenny and Tema explore the pervasive influence of white supremacy culture in society. They discuss the concept's historical context, its impact on both personal and systemic levels, and the importance of recognizing internalized racist conditioning. 

Tema shares the journey of her original paper, detailing its attributes and their societal implications. She also outlines into the interconnectedness of colonialism, capitalism, and white supremacy.  Tema and Jenny reflect on the necessity of self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and a culture of appreciation as antidotes to these ingrained systems. The dialogue also highlights the significance of love, belonging, and making conscious choices in combating fear-based energies, ultimately advocating for a collective effort towards systemic change and personal transformation. 

Outline for the episode:

• 00:00 Introduction to Racist Conditioning
• 00:35 Meet Tema Okun: Activist and Educator
• 00:47 White Supremacy Culture and Denizen Community
• 01:54 Personal Reflections on White Supremacy
• 03:09 Understanding White Supremacy Culture
• 05:46 The Role of Fear in White Supremacy
• 09:26 Intersectionality and Systemic Context
• 12:27 The Origins of the 1999 Paper
• 24:55 Perfectionism and White Supremacy
• 29:04 Transforming Defensiveness into Curiosity
• 30:19 Qualified Paternalism and the Hero Complex
• 34:41 The Flaws of Capitalism and the Growth Imperative
• 36:35 The Importance of Process and Connection
• 38:32 Urgency and the Right to Comfort
• 45:33 Cultural Antidotes and Emotional Intelligence
• 53:14 Closing Thoughts and Gratitude

Resources:

• White Supremacy Culture website
• "White Supremacy Culture" original 1999 paper
• "White Supremacy Culture - Still Here" 2021 update
• Racial Equity Principles
• Tema's website: https://www.fiercelove.info/
• 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership
• The New Rules of Marriage, Terrance Real

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This conversation features Tyson Yunkaporta, academic, arts critic, researcher, and member of the Apalech Clan in far north Queensland. Tyson is the author of Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World; Right Story, Wrong Story: How to Have Fearless Conversations in Hell; and Snake Talk: How the World’s Ancient Serpent Stories Can Guide Us.

Unlike our typical episodes which focus on a topic, here Jenny embraces Tyson's generative cultural practice of yarning. Tyson describes a yarn as "like a conversation but taking a traditional form his people have always used to create and transmit knowledge."  Thus here we capture a raw conversation between Jenny and Tyson, touching on topics of whiteness, identity, modes of cognition, justice, and the hero complex.  Tyson shares the story behind each of the three books in his trilogy, touching on their relevance for the modern technologically driven era.

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In this conversation Jenny and Jasmine discuss:

• Four common internalized stories we have about money
• Money trauma
• The importance of talking about money
• Jasmine's analogy of a water supply
• Philosophical questions of enough and fairness
• Banking: extractive vs. sustainable and community-oriented options
• Public banking
• Consumption decisions and Jasmine's no Amazon policy
• The irony of conscious consumption
• The role of third party certifications 
• Investment decisions and investing in place
• Structural economic implications of conscious investment and consumption
• Giving and receiving money through philanthropy
• Beyond personal finances: influencing financial flows
• Participatory budgeting
• Beyond financial flows: influencing corporate culture and decision making
• Employee activism
• Showing up for each other beyond money
• Acknowledging non financial capital
• Rethinking income: guaranteed income and UBI

Resources:

• Jasmine's website: https://www.jasminerashid.com/
• Trauma of Money program
• Friends of public banking pledge
• Just Economy Institute

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This powerful conversation explores the relationship between decolonization and consciousness. Ashanti is a systems change agent focused on helping organizations deconstruct dominant narratives of colonization and replace them with life affirming narratives that support a regenerative future. She believes that true transformation must begin within, guiding leaders to embrace spiritual coherence and walk their talk.

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Jenny and Ashanti discuss:

• How to define what is right and good
• Why the inner work is imperative
• The consequences of the narratives we have internalized
• Rethinking our understanding of leadership and power
• Taking responsibility for ourselves and what inhibits us from doing so
• The relationship between deconstructing our stories and spirituality
• The importance of walking the talk and the harm caused by misalignment
• Love as praxis: moving from fear to love
• The role of fear in white supremacy
• The Zulu concept of Ubuntu
• Loving each other through our ugly
• Love and spiritual growth
• Love, consideration, and diversity in systems change work
• Open and honest communication
• The importance of expressing emotions and creating emotionally safe spaces
• Calling out vs. calling in
• Spiritual accountability, personal integrity, and coherent leadership
• Spiritual discernment
• Paying attention to our thoughts and language
• Self-love

Resources

• Learning 2 Unlearn, Ashanti's website
• "White supremacy lives in the mundane" Ashanti on Social Transformation
• Pedagogy of the Oppressed, Paul Freire
• We Will Not Cancel Us: And Other Dreams of Transformative Justice, adrienne maree brown

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This episode builds on many prior conversations exploring work that we can do on ourselves, including living authentically, trauma and the nervous system, nonviolent communication, transforming relational conflict, and optimal zone resilience. It demonstrates how the work on ourselves extends upwards into the organization context, and further amplifies our impact at a systemic level.

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In this conversation Jenny and Diana discuss:

• What Diana means by conscious when she refers to conscious leadership
• Being above or below the line: reacting from fear vs. responding from trust
• The four different types of consciousness from which we might lead: to me, by me, through me, and as me
• Taking radical responsibility
• Staying curious and growing in self-awareness
• The problem with wanting to be right
• Our relationship with our stories and willingness to consider the opposite is equally true
• The importance of feeling our feelings and seeing their value
• Why candor and safe emotional spaces are essential
• Why gossip is pernicious and the how judgement reveals our shadows
• Integrity, both with ourselves and with others
• Making clear agreements using a whole body yes
• How to handle broken agreements
• Regarding all circumstances of life as an opportunity to learn and grow
• Moving from scarcity to abundance with a commitment to experiencing having enough of everything
• Committing to win for all solutions
• Operating from our zones of genius and realizing our full potential
• Being the resolution rather than assigning blame to others
• The importance of rest and play
• Subconscious commitments

Resources:

• The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership
• The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership: A New Paradigm for Sustainable Success, Jim Dethmer, Diana Chapman, and Kaley Warner Klemp
• The Conscious Leadership Group
• WholeBodyYes.com
• Conscious Loving: The Journey To Co-Commitment, Gay Hendricks, Ph.D. and Kathlyn Hendricks, Ph.D.
• Terrance Real: https://terryreal.com/
• Man's Search For Meaning, Viktor Frankl
• Existential Kink: Unmask Your Shadow and Embrace Your Power, Carolyn Elliott, Ph.D.

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Ethnocide is a word Barrett both coined and resurrected, referring to the destruction of a people’s culture while keeping the people. From Barrett’s point of view, Trump’s re-election is not cause for disbelief, but a glaring reminder of what America has been since its inception: a country founded by white men for the purposes of wealth accumulation, whose rhetoric of freedom and equality has always been tenuous alongside its prevalence of white supremacy and patriarchy.

In this conversation Jenny and Barrett discuss:

• Why Trump's re-election did not surprise Barrett and how it reflects something fundamental about American politics
• The bad faith and lies underlying American democracy
• The distinction between freedom from and freedom with
• The importance of language in addressing systemic oppression
• What ethnocide means and its origin
• Capitalism and ethnocide
• Existentialism and the notions of existence vs. essence
• White essence in the United States
• What identity means to Barrett
• Why the Hegelian dialectic and critical theory are essential to understand and combat ethnocide
• What culture means to Barrett
• Ethnogenesis: creating and birthing culture
• Barrett's Altars of American project: a ritual to combat ethnocide
• Eŭ-topia: a sustainable, good, nurturing place
• How we can transcend systemic oppression by cultivating Eŭ-topian spaces

Resources:

• The Crime Without A Name: Ethnocide and the Erasure of Culture in America
• The Sustainable Culture Lab
• Half Has Never Been Told: Slavery and the Making of American Capitalism

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Melanie Rieback is a cybersecurity entrepreneur and the founder of Nonprofit Ventures, an organization dedicated to supporting post growth entrepreneurs.  She runs an incubator to support post growth entrepreneurs and teaches a course at the University of Amsterdam on post growth entrepreneurship. Her lectures are available on YouTube, linked below.

This episode builds on a long series of conversations on this podcast exploring economic reform: stakeholder capitalism, steward ownership, co-ops, post-growth economics, to name a few. While it's called pot growth entrepreneurship, really this conversation is about non-extractive entrepreneurship. PGE rejects the typical silicon valley model of capital, scale, exit, in favor of bootstrapping, flat growth, and non-extraction.

In this conversation Jenny and Melanie discuss:

• Melanie's path from cybersecurity entrepreneur to post growth entrepreneurship
• Why not all forms of steward ownership ensure profit serves purpose
• Why Melanie believes business is one of the most effective forms of activism
• Defining post growth entrepreneurship (PGE)
• Why PGE is a leverage point for systemic change
• Issues with the Silicon Valley model of capital, scale, exit
• Issues with status quo social enterprise and impact investing
• Principles of PGE: bootstrapping, flat growth, non-extraction
• Asset locks and stable steward ownership implementation
• Policy initiatives in Europe to create a steward owned business entity
• How to think about fair compensation when implementing PGE
• Thoughts on the cultural component of this work
• Business as spirituality

Resources:

• Nonprofit Ventures website: https://nonprofit.ventures/
• Post Growth Entrepreneurship: three minute explainer video
• "Putting Post Growth Theory Into Practice" Medium post
• Melanie's post growth entrepreneurship course at the University of Amsterdam; 8 YouTube lectures

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Consciousness is one of the six themes of the Denizen podcast and the role of psychedelics is an important subset of that inquiry. It's an honor to bring Rick Doblin to the podcast with this episode; he has been at the forefront of the movement since founding the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) in 1986. Rick is joined by Nirvan Mullick, filmmaker and founder of Interconnected Media, who has been working on a documentary about Rick and MAPS for ten years.

This episode extensively explores the role of storytelling in the psychedelic movement. Rick takes us back to the cultural context of his childhood and shares his own experience of awakening through experimenting with psychedelics as a young adult. We discuss MAPS’s strategy and how storytelling complimented their data-driven approach with clinical trials. We talk about MAPS's corporate structure and how it evolved over time, with its incentives slowly corrupted as MAPS was forced to bring in venture capital to continue its work. 

Rick shares the story of the year leading up to the FDA's response letter, and how MAPS's leadership inhibited his ability to contribute to a more balanced narrative about the treatment of MDMA for PTSD. We then look forward to what comes next, and how storytelling is critical for the movement to succeed in bringing psychedelics to the mainstream to enable a global shift in consciousness. Throughout, Nirvan shares his insights as a filmmaker documenting Rick's story over the last ten years.

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Ferananda Ibarra is the CEO of the Coventina Foundation, co-founder of the Metacurrency Project, and expert in utilizing the decentralized web to enable economic innovation, collective intelligence, and the commons.

In this conversation we explore the role of currency innovation in economic innovation and regenerative economics.  Fernanda has such an incredible range of experience and knowledge that she brings to bear with her work — from her expertise in technology to her love of nature and study of indigenous wisdom to her deep foundational understanding of  the commons and collective intelligence.

While the headline for this conversation is currencies, ultimately it’s abroad ranging discussion that explores money, wealth, currencies, why flows are so critical for healthy living systems, what’s wrong with blockchain and the familiar cryptocurrencies out there, and more.

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