NC State fell to 4-4 (1-3 ACC) with another blowout loss on the road at Wake Forest on Saturday. Michael Clark and Cory Smith try to come to terms with the latest tough loss for the Pack.

How did Devin Leary look in his first start? What has happened to the Wolfpack defense after another 40-plus points allowed? What are the updated expectations for State with four games remaining.

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