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This week we were joined by Briahna Joy Gray to talk about natalism and Efilism. We also had a great discussion about the philosophy of human extinction.

Bad Faith Podcast / Briahna Joy Gray Bad Faith Podcast: "Episode 479: Promo — Truth in Fiction w/ Cory Doctorow" https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-479-promo-truth-in-fiction-w-cory-doctorow/id1531192509?i=1000710888262

Bad Faith Podcast: "Episode 445: Promo — From Merit to Eugenics: Elon Musk's…" https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/episode-445-promo-from-merit-to-eugenics-elon-musks/id1531192509?i=1000688606822

Pronatalism / Natalism Discourse Mother Jones — "This Is a War, and Natalism Is Our Sword and Shield" https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/03/this-is-a-war-and-natalism-is-our-sword-and-shield-my-weekend-with-the-pronatalists/

The Guardian — "Natal Conference in Austin, Texas, and Eugenics" https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/natal-conference-austin-texas-eugenics

The Guardian — "What Is Pronatalism? Right-Wing Republican Movement" https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/11/what-is-pronatalism-right-wing-republican

The Guardian — "Elon Musk, Pronatalism, and Motherhood on Social Media" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/25/elon-musk-pronatalism-mothers-social-media-parenting

CNN — "Pronatalism, Elon Musk, and Birth Rates" https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/10/us/pronatalism-elon-musk-birth-rates-cec

Vox — "JD Vance, Pronatalism, and Population Decline" https://www.vox.com/policy/363543/pronatalism-vance-birth-rates-population-decline-fertility

New York Times — "Liberals and Falling Birth Rates: Anastasia Berg Op-Ed" https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/16/opinion/anastasia-berg-falling-birth-rates-liberals.html

New York Times — "Natalism, Liberalism & Parenthood" https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/10/opinion/natalism-liberalism-parenthood.html

The Atlantic — "Democrats and Pronatalism: Family Policy Debates" https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/democrats-pronatalism-family-policies/681827/

Liberal Currents — "Liberal Pro-Natalism" https://www.liberalcurrents.com/liberal-pro-natalism/

The New Yorker — "How Liberals Talk About Children" https://www.newyorker.com/news/fault-lines/how-liberals-talk-about-children

Current Affairs — "We Should Be Neither Anti-Natalist Nor Pro-Natalist" https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/we-should-be-neither-anti-natalist-nor-pro-natalist

The Guardian — "Birthstrikers and Climate Change" https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/mar/12/birthstrikers-meet-the-women-who-refuse-to-have-children-until-climate-change-ends

People — "All About Elon Musk's Children" https://people.com/all-about-elon-musk-children-11678749

New York Times — "Trump, Musk, and Birthrate Proposals" https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/21/us/politics/elon-musk-trump-birthrate.html

New York Times — "Trump's Birthrate Proposals" https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/21/us/politics/trump-birthrate-proposals.html

Axios — "Elon Musk, Ashley St. Clair, and Baby Influencing" https://www.axios.com/2025/04/17/elon-musk-babies-ashley-st-clair

Conversations with Tyler — Ezra Klein Interview https://conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/ezra-klein-3/

Efilism / Anti-Natalism Extremism The Intercept — "Efilism and the Palm Springs Bomber" https://theintercept.com/2025/05/19/efilism-palm-springs-bomber-fertility-clinic/

NBC News — "Reddit Bans Anti-Natalists After Explosion" https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/reddit-bans-anti-natalists-palm-springs-explosion-rcna207677

The Guardian — "Palm Springs IVF Clinic Bombing and Online Extremism" https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/21/palm-springs-ivf-clinic-bombing-online-extremism

Eugenics, Longtermism, Effective Altruism Truthdig — "Nick Bostrom, Longtermism, and Eugenics" https://www.truthdig.com/articles/nick-bostrom-longtermism-and-the-eternal-return-of-eugenics-2/

Truthdig — "A Short History of Eugenics" https://www.truthdig.com/articles/a-short-history-of-eugenics-from-plato-to-nick-bostrom/

The Guardian — "Pro-Extinctionists and Effective Altruism" https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jul/22/pro-extinctionis-longtermim-effective-altruism-human-extinction-emile-torres

Utilitarianism: For and Against (PDF) https://www.utilitarianism.com/utilitarianism-for-and-against.pdf

LessWrong — Computronium Page https://www.lesswrong.com/w/computronium

Political News / Commentary AP News — "Trump's Army Parade and Protests" https://apnews.com/article/trump-army-parade-troops-tanks-birthday-protests-4cca4da0e89908d39c820240744375a1

New York Times — "Andrew Cuomo and Nursing Home Deaths During COVID" https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/09/nyregion/cuomo-pandemic-nursing-home-deaths.html

Social Media & Commentary Instagram Reel https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK-VjqwxisA/

Twitter — Nathan J. Robinson https://x.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1890845684061847836

Twitter — David Sirota https://x.com/davidsirota/status/1921259098516918382

Miscellaneous Zohran Mamdani Campaign Site https://www.zohranfornyc.com/

Hacker News Thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10812804