In this episode, Jonny sits down with theologian and seminary professor Dr. Mark Baker to talk about the cross, the atonement, and why the way we tell that story matters—pastorally, biblically, and ethically.
Mark shares the story of becoming a scholar shaped by mission work in Honduras, where poverty, violence, and “toxic theology” forced deeper questions: Who is the God we believe in? What kind of God does our atonement story portray?
From there, we explore what atonement means (“the saving significance of the cross and resurrection”), why Christians often collapse a wide biblical vision into a narrow framework, and how the New Testament offers a multiplicity of images—liberation, shame and welcome, redemption, union with Christ, and Christus Victor triumph over powers.
This is a conversation about more Jesus and more cross—not less. Atonement isn’t a single metaphor. It’s the heart of the gospel told in many faithful languages, for many kinds of human need.
For more, check out Mark's website.