What is the reason for having a career that you enjoy (or “love”)? And, what can you do action-wise to change the trajectory of your career satisfaction/life fulfillment? That’s what the ProductivityCast team tackles on this cast! Enjoy!
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Ray Sidney-Smith
Augusto Pinaud
Francis Wade
Show Notes | Should You Do What You Love as a Career?
Resources we mention, including links to them, will be provided here. Please listen to the episode for context.
Do What You Love, The Money Will Follow: Discovering Your Right Livelihood by Marsha Sinetar
How Company Culture Shapes Employee Motivation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=202nbcLwxsg
Dr. MLK's 'Street Sweeper' Speech at Philadelphia School October 26, 1967
On job crafting, Managing Yourself: Turn the Job You Have into the Job You Want
You can use data to boost your career. Here’s how. | Neil Irwin | Big Think
Mindset: The New Psychology of Success by Carol Dweck, PhD
Mindset - Productivity Book Group
Do What You Love -- And Watch Your Productivity Suffer
4 Concrete Steps to Take to Love Your Job Again (Backed By Science)
Reasons to Do What You Love for a Living
5 strategies to move toward a career you love
How to love your job even when you hate your job
Don't "follow your passion"
Managing Yourself: Turn the Job You Have into the Job You Want
Source/Credit: The Reasons We Work
Source/Credit: Ikigai – Japanese concept to enhance work, life & sense of worth
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Voiceover Artist 0:00 Are you ready to manage your work and personal world better to live a fulfilling productive life, then you've come to the right place productivity cast, the weekly show about all things productivity. Here, your host Ray Sidney-Smith and Augusto Pinaud with Francis Wade and Art Gelwicks.
Raymond Sidney-Smith 0:17 And Welcome back, everybody to productivity cast, the weekly show about all things personal productivity, I'm Ray Sidney-Smith.
Francis Wade 0:20I'm Francis Wade.
Augusto Pinaud 0:22 I am Augusto Pinaud.
Raymond Sidney-Smith 0:24Welcome, gentlemen, and welcome to our listeners to this episode of ProductivityCast. In this cast, what we're going to be doing today is having a little bit of a debate, as we do every week. But today, we're gonna be kind of debating the the notion of, should you do what you love as a career, and, and having a bit of a discussion around this notion of, you know, career satisfaction, career fulfillment, and productivity, there is a there is a, an overlap there, if you have like the Venn diagram of career satisfaction and productivity and, and that space there, we're going to really dive into that sliver. For us. This topic was developed by Francis. So Francis, what made you think of this topic, and what what brought it to mind,
Francis Wade 1:16something I read that pointed out that people who do what they love, especially in the nonprofit sector, can often result in burnout or end up in burnout. And it's because they, they love what they do so much that they end up tipping their work life balance, or work life integration in a way that's not fruitful. So they put up with 60 70 hour 80 hour work weeks pursuing a passion or a cause, or, you know, altruistic motive, you know, you could be trying to save the whales. And because you're so committed to saving the whales, you then end up working 80 hours. So your body doesn't care whether you're saving the whales, or selling real estate, or doing doing multi level marketing or your body doesn't care, when you're putting in the 80 hours of work. It feels the brunt anyway. And it talks about the need for people who are nonprofit, and who are altruistic to also seek this kind of balance. But it made me think, in general, when I was a, like a center, entering the professional world, or sort of establishing myself in the 90s, I remember a book that's entitled, do what you love, and the money will follow. If it wasn't a book, it was an article. And this was highly debated, you know that there was a kind of a almost quasi religious belief that if you could just find what you love, and then put all of your eggs in the basket, then the universe would magically come to your rescue and provide you with bottom line profits. And that that that also is one of the Genesis, I think, why we're having this compensation, because there is that thought out there. And there are many sides to this coin. So that's, that's, that's, I guess, what, what the core of the matter is, is it true? Should it be pursued? Is it different for different people? Or is there just a practical hard market reality here? And it's nothing to do with the Whoo,
Raymond Sidney-Smith 3:20I definitely have a copy of that book sitting on my shelf right here in view. 1980 1989. So, yeah, so let's let's start off with what is the reason for having a career that you enjoy? In in parlance today, we're calling it love, but we can call it fulfillment or satisfaction or what have you. But what is the what is the reason for doing that? And again, I'm, I want to really stay in the lens of personal productivity here for purposes of being productive, that is time to task, project energy, those types of management's of oneself. What's the What's the reason? What's the goal? If you want to be more productive to love what you do? What's the argument there?
Augusto Pinaud 4:09When do you look at what you do or don't do? And you're looking at from the lens specific of the productivity, it comes to be really, really important? What do you do? The reason of, I believe, is if you don't enjoy what you do, it is really hard to be productive. You know, if you get kind of when I work with productivity with my coaching clients, okay? And you look at the stuff that they procrastinate the stuff that is on their list for years. Some of them you wonder, okay, why this has been there for years. The reason is, I'm afraid I don't enjoy it. I know. There are many reasons on that and all of them are the comes to this is something that I'm not passionate or afraid to it. So if you get a career where you have zero passion, okay? Can you do it? Yeah, can you be good at it? Yes? Can you be your best at it? No, it's not, I don't believe is possible. I believe that component, that passion component, it's really, really a key to attain a high level of productivity. And to attain a balance happy life on that.
Francis Wade 5:37If you love what you do, you're more likely to be really, really good at it. At some point, you're more likely to invest the hard hours and the learning and the self training and the evaluations, you're more likely to develop yourself. And in that direction, I think that's as an endpoint everyone would agree. And there's actually a study that I just put up in the show notes, it shows multiple levels of motivation. And the most motivated person is the one who does what they do, because they love it only because they love it, and not because of the outputs, or because of the potential or because of the money or because of the peer pressure, or because of the inertia. So those, the lists that I just gave are the other reasons why people do their jobs. And they're all lesser than, than the actual love of the work itself, which is the highest highest in this particular article, some research done from the 1980s. But, but and here's the big, but what we learned back in the day, 1989, as he said, puts the cart before the horse, according to people like Ken Newport. And I think it's true from my observation also, which is that even though that's the end point, and even though we could agree that that's the ideal, the harder question is, how do you get from here to there. And that's where that that that that I think, is really interesting and counter intuitive. And that's where we've learned that the message of the 1989 book doesn't bear out in practice,
Augusto Pinaud 7:09I there is some old saying that says, the most dangerous guy on the field is the guy who is having fun, and I wish to tell you who said that, and but I have believed that, you know, and I have seen it in practice, you know, many, many years ago, when I was, you know, in the, in the sales in the active sales for electronic world, as a sales manager, you could see who were the guys having fun in the field, and the level of success, and it was really correlation. And I over the years, keep that on the front of the mind. Because I have seen clients and friends and business partners, those that are having fun, okay tend to be more productive tend to be, you know, more passionate about what they do tend to be much better about the work they are doing, tend to be stellar about the results they're getting. I don't know, I don't think you know, that Field of Dreams, or the book, you know, building on day will come, it works. But what I can tell you is the people I have seen, build it without that passion, eventually walk away. that built the business build the career. Either way, it is really a tough thing to do.