This week on ProductivityCast, we have a two-part series being released to discuss Francis Wade's second edition of his book, Perfect Time-Based Productivity! In this cast, Francis explains the development of personal productivity systems in early life and how time demands can better help you identify how to spend your time wisely.
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In this Cast
Ray Sidney-Smith
Augusto Pinaud
Art Gelwicks
Francis Wade
Show Notes | Perfect Time-based Productivity, Part One
Resources we mention, including links to them, will be provided here. Please listen to the episode for context.
Getting Things Done by David Allen
SkedPal
Kaizen
Stickk
Perfect Time-Based Productivity: How to rescue your peace of mind as time demands increase (Second Edition) by Francis Wade (Amazon)
Perfect Time-Based Productivity – A unique way to protect your peace of mind as time demands increase (book website)
Fixed versus growth mindset - Mindset: The New Psychology of Success by Carol Dweck, PhD
Discussion of Mindset at Productivity Book Group
Howard Gardner, multiple intelligences and education – infed.org
Multiple intelligences
The Age-by-Age Guide to Teaching Kids Time Management
Zwift
Make It Stick: The Science of Successful Learning by Peter C. Brown, et al.
Make It Stick - Productivity Book Group
Change management
Evernote
OneNote
Notion.so
Productive Failure in Learning the Concept of Variance
The 12 Important Life Skills I Wish I'd Learned In School
Last Chance U
Micro-goal setting
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Voiceover Artist 0:00 Are you ready to manage your work and personal world better to live a fulfilling productive life, then you've come to the right place productivity cast, the weekly show about all things productivity. Here, your host Ray Sidney-Smith and Augusto Pinaud with Francis Wade and Art Gelwicks.
Raymond Sidney-Smith 0:17
And Welcome back, everybody to productivity cast, the weekly show about all things personal productivity, I'm Ray Sidney Smith.
Augusto Pinaud 0:24 I am Augusto Pinaud.
Francis Wade 0:26I'm Francis Wade.
Art Gelwicks 0:27 And I'm Art Gelwicks.
Raymond Sidney-Smith 0:27Welcome, gentlemen, and welcome to our listeners. Today, we are going to be talking about Francis's second edition of his book. Basically, we're going to talk a little bit about the ability for us to be able to do something that I think is really interesting related to Francis's book, perfect time based productivity. So Francis, do you want to tell us a little bit about your book, first of all, and then give us a bit of a preamble in terms of what we were discussing today on this cast?
Francis Wade 0:54Sure. So one of the core ideas which I've sort of run into, by mistake. I always thought there was a perfect kind of big set of behaviors out there then, and you just needed to learn them from somebody who's really smart. And that was my original thought. But I discovered that through the through leading courses that people already came into the programs with habits and practices, they're already using tools, they already have something in place. So I did a little bit of digging to the research and found out that they actually develop these behaviors, starting from adolescence, and going all the way into early adulthood. Specifically, I'm talking about task management behaviors. So they start to make tasks in their mind. It's a psychological process. Some people transition into making lists, some sat use paper, some migrate from using memory. But anyway, by the time they hit 25, let's say and they walk into a time management program or they pick up a book, these behaviors are already in place, and the research supports it to a great degree, but the training that we offer On a hole doesn't support on a whole. The training we offer says, here's something you don't know anything about. But what really happens, from my opinion is that the learner sits there reading or listening and says, Hey, I'm already doing half of this stuff. So in their mind, they're having to say, Oh, hold on a minute, they're going through a self evaluation, but it's not like they're learning advanced trigonometry, which they don't have any clue about. They're learning about task management, which is something they've done ever since they first heard the concept of time, which is about 10 years old. So we don't give up. We don't tell them this. Usually, they have to discover it on their own, but they're sort of left sitting in your courses on or training wondering, Hmm, I already do that. So they're doing their own ad hoc self evaluation. My book says, essentially, instead of doing an ad hoc self evaluation, let me teach you how to do one on your own without my being there at all. So just follow this process and you'll be doing self evaluation. But let me stop there and validate that idea of doing a self evaluation that people do that with you guys before I go on to the next piece,
Augusto Pinaud 3:09I agree to a certain extent that, and and even I don't know if 25 is even the age where we're where those problems start, you know, when you look at, you know, in the United States, specifically, how certain basic things or has been eliminated from the curriculum, okay, that you have people who go to college who don't know the most basic stuff, forget about complex stuff as time management, we're talking about the basics to fix anything, you know, I, you can see, you know, see friendzone customers who unclimbed quote unquote, coaching clients who are now struggle with their kids going to college that don't know the most basic things, you know, and they're wondering if they should have teach them and how they learn it and say, Well, I learned Some of that is school, I learned some of that. And the basic skills are not there. And they're coming to that 25. And there is really not an easy place to find where and how to learn those basic skills.
Francis Wade 4:12For example, I've met CEOs who still try to manage all their tasks using memory and it's not as if they aren't smart people, they usually really smart, at least book smart and business smart. But the idea the basic idea that we you know before or subscribe to, which is that memory is a bad place to keep your tasks. It's something that they've never heard they literally don't know any better. So to back up what Agusta saying people fumble stumble all the way into their 20s or even beyond. And they don't even know that they're fumble stumbling. They're just, they just made something up and they're trying to make it work as hard as they can. As one woman put it to me and of course, she had she saw that she needed to manage all her costs in her memory because that was a sign of being productive. writing anything down was like a sign of weakness. Well, by the end of the course she, you know, she got the opposite opposite story. But to back up what Agustina saying you know that the software doesn't help you understand that that we in a previous episode, we talked about the apps that are on your phone, they don't give a hint that you should be managing tasks, the way they used to back when we were picking up the first PDAs. So there's nothing in their environment that is saying, nudging you in the right direction, you're on your own.
Raymond Sidney-Smith 5:28So my only curiosity is that, as I think about my own experience in learning, time management and task management together, they really were a combined experience. I can't parse apart, having learned one separately from the other. As a as an adolescent. The whole notion of managing to be more efficient and effective, even though I didn't have those terms, was something that was very appealing to me. And so I imagined that there are people out there Who naturally gravitate toward order? And there are people who probably don't. And you're listening to us, if you probably gravitate toward order, or you recognize that you gravitate toward maybe chaos, and you know that you need that order. So we all share an experience where we're in. We're consistently focused on that. And our development led us to that point, whether either way, right. So the goal for us is to figure out from adolescence to adulthood and it's pretty interesting that you talk about the kind of around the age of 25, because our brains develop our bodies develop actually, up until that point until the age of 24 ish, people are still developing. And so the the maturation of the human of you know, human development is very slow and 24 years before Human is fully developed as a pretty, you know, long time, a period of time. And so I just think that at each stage of education, we're somewhat failing our, all of civilization if we're not teaching them the right time management and the right task management and the right goal management, whether that be projects or otherwise, at the at the stage in which they are at. And so I'd be curious, like in going back to my adolescence, again, you know, in essence,