As climate change impacts our environment, communities might face a tough choice. Do they stay and accept a lower quality of life, mitigate the effects of climate change, or decide to leave?

This episode explores the complex relationship between climate change, disaster risk reduction, and human mobility. Andrew and Josh speak with Professor Mo Hamza who has been researching people movement for 35 years. Mo provides a clear distinction between disasters and climate change, and how individual vulnerability shapes perceptions and impacts, as well as the challenges of addressing the root causes of vulnerability.

Mo discusses how communities adapt to environmental changes through mobility both domestically and internationally. While international migration comprises a small portion of movement, it raises a range of challenges particularly for people leaving a location suffering environmental degradation. Listen to the episode to understand we can’t call those who move locations as ‘climate refugees’.

Mo Hamza is a Professor of Risk Management and Societal Safety at Lund University in Sweden and has led numerous projects with international development organisations including the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, United Nations agencies, the Swedish Red Cross, the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency and many others. Mo has consulted across the world with a particular focus on the Middle East.

Learn more about Professor Mo Hamza’s research at Lund University.