Beth Sherman is a multi-Emmy Award-winning comedy writer who spent 30 years writing for Letterman, Jay Leno, Ellen DeGeneres, and multiple major awards shows, including the Oscars. She now works as a keynote speaker and executive presentation coach, helping leaders and professional speakers build rapid rapport using the same principles comedians use to convert a room full of strangers.

In this episode, John and Beth explore what professional speakers can actually learn from standup comedy — not the jokes, but the craft underneath them. Beth shares her BETH framework and challenges the assumption that being funny has anything to do with telling jokes.

What you'll take away:

• Why trying to be funny is one of the worst things a speaker can do — and what to do instead
• The BETH framework: Brevity, Elephant in the room, Truth, Humanity
• Why specificity and truth are the real engines of humour and connection
• The difference between self-deprecation and self-awareness on stage
• What comedians know about building trust with a sceptical audience that most business communicators don't
• Why silence on stage felt like failure to Beth — and how she's working through it
• What a "callback" is and why it's the most underused tool in a speaker's closing

Visit bethsherman.com or connect with Beth on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/beth-sherman/

CHAPTERS

00:00 Meet Beth Sherman

02:20 Comedy Roots and Writer Room

05:38 Standup Lessons and Testing

07:30 Humour Influences and Favourites

12:24 Stagecraft Rapid Rapport

13:46 Bombing and Hecklers

19:09 From TV Writing to Speaking

23:36 Building a Speaking Business

26:27 Positioning Humour as Rapport

27:39 Trust Through Humour

29:15 Standup And Speaking

31:51 Keynote Challenges

35:57 Stop Trying To Be Funny

38:36 BETH Framework

39:24 Brevity Wins

40:42 Elephant In The Room

42:56 Truth And Self Awareness

45:55 Specific Details

47:59 Humanity Over Jokes

49:03 Working With Beth

53:06 Quick Rapport Tip

54:46 Wrap Up And Takeaways

Do professional speakers need to be funny to be successful?

According to Emmy Award-winning comedy writer and keynote speaker Beth Sherman, no. The goal is not to be funny — it is to be human. Trying to be funny often comes across as inauthentic and can undermine credibility, particularly for women and speakers from minority backgrounds. What engages audiences is vulnerability, relatability, and genuine connection. Laughter is a by-product of that, not the target.

What is the BETH framework for speakers?

The BETH framework was developed by Beth Sherman and stands for Brevity, Elephant in the room, Truth, and Humanity. It is a four-principle approach derived from professional comedy writing and stand-up that helps speakers and leaders build rapid rapport with any audience. Brevity means using fewer words for more impact. Elephant in the room means acknowledging what your audience is already noticing. Truth means that specificity and honesty are inherently engaging. Humanity means being relatable and vulnerable rather than polished and performative.

How can speakers use humour without telling jokes?

Beth Sherman teaches that truth is funny — comedians do not invent absurdity, they observe and report it. The most effective way for speakers to add humour to a talk is through specificity and self-awareness rather than constructed jokes. Sharing the particular details of a real experience — what was in the room, what was said, what you did when you got in the car — creates universal relatability because audiences recognise the truth in it. This approach works regardless of whether the speaker considers themselves funny.

What is rapid rapport, and why does it matter for speakers and leaders?

Rapid rapport is the ability to build trust and connection with a new or sceptical audience quickly. Beth Sherman argues that until an audience trusts you, nothing else you say matters — not your data, your story, or your framework. Comedians develop this skill by necessity: they must win over strangers, often in hostile conditions, within minutes. The same principles apply in leadership communication, sales, and keynote speaking. Beth's keynote and masterclass work translates these principles for business audiences.

What is the difference between self-deprecation and self-awareness for speakers?

Self-deprecation means putting yourself down for the purpose of getting a laugh. Self-awareness means acknowledging what your audience is already noticing about you or the situation. Beth Sherman advises speakers to favour self-awareness over self-deprecation, particularly if they belong to a group that may already face unconscious bias from their audience. Self-deprecation can undermine credibility; self-awareness builds connection and trust.

How do you open a talk and win an audience over quickly?

Beth Sherman's primary recommendation is to smile and look like you want to be there. Beyond that, acknowledge the elephant in the room early — whatever your audience might be thinking or distracted by. If you open with tension or a dramatic hook, relieve it quickly. The goal is connection, not perfection, and audiences respond to speakers who appear present and genuinely engaged with the room.

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Elliot Kay is the founder of The Speaker Awards, a seven-time author, and one of the most connected people in the UK speaking industry. In this conversation, John and Elliot dig into what's actually changing in how professional speakers get hired, and why most speakers are still playing by rules that no longer apply.

Heads up: entries for The Speaker Awards 2026 close 30 April. If you're a fee-paid speaker and you're on the fence, the deadline is a week away. Full details at thespeakerawards.com.

What you'll take away:

• Why the era of the "information speaker" is over, and what's replacing it
• The three things bookers now demand: problem clarity, implementable change, and proof of ROI
• Why positioning (and repositioning) is the single biggest lever most speakers never pull
• The "Watch Me Go" mentality: a non-aggressive, slightly defiant attitude that changes how speakers show up
• Why imperfection is currency post-pandemic, and slick performers are losing ground
• Chase budgets, not crowds: why twelve people in a boardroom often pays more than a hundred at a conference
• What The Speaker Awards process actually does for entrants (hint: the clarity matters more than the trophy)
• The pipeline reality: presence, partnerships, referrals, and why the bookers who hire you rarely comment on your posts

What do corporate bookers actually want from professional speakers in 2026?

According to Speaker Awards founder Elliot Kay and host John Ball, bookers now prioritise three things: absolute clarity on the problem the speaker solves, implementable takeaways the audience will actually use, and demonstrable return on investment. The era of the "information speaker" is over because information is now freely available through AI. Speakers who can prove behavioural change after their talks are the ones getting rebooked and referred.

Is the professional speaking industry declining because of AI?

No. Both Elliot Kay and John Ball argue the opposite. As AI-generated content floods digital channels, audiences are craving real human connection more than ever. Live events are increasing in demand, not decreasing. The skills that matter are shifting from information delivery to authentic presence, emotional connection, and provable impact. Speakers who position themselves around outcomes rather than information are well-placed to benefit.

What is the single biggest mistake professional speakers make?

Positioning. Elliot Kay argues that if the positioning is wrong, nothing else will work. The second biggest mistake is failing to reposition over time. Speakers who used to get booked and no longer do have usually not updated their positioning, showreel, or brand in three or more years. The market moves. Speakers who don't move with it become irrelevant.

Should professional speakers chase bigger audiences or bigger budgets?

Elliot Kay's direct advice: chase budgets, not crowds. Twelve people in a high-level boardroom often pay significantly more than a hundred people at a conference. Fee per head is rarely correlated with audience size. Speakers optimising for audience count are optimising for the wrong metric.

What does the Speaker Awards process give entrants beyond recognition?

The process itself forces speakers to clarify who they are, what they stand for, and the problem they solve. Elliot Kay describes this as "shedding the fluff." Entrants consistently report that the preparation and judging process sharpens their positioning in ways that change subsequent fee conversations, regardless of whether they win.

When are the Speaker Awards 2026, and how do speakers enter?

Entries close 30 April 2026. The gala takes place on 3 July 2026 at the Leonardo Hotel, St Paul's, London. Entry is £80, with an administration fee, and speakers are permitted up to three categories. Full entry details are at thespeakerawards.com.

About The Speaker Awards:

• 19 independent judges across categories, including bureau heads, agents, PSA past presidents
• £80 admin fee to enter, up to three categories
• Gala on 3 July 2026 at the Leonardo Hotel, St Paul's, London
• Entry deadline: 30 April 2026

Find Elliot: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elliot-kay/

The Speaker Awards: thespeakerawards.com

CHAPTERS

00:00 Chase Budgets Not Crowds

00:38 Meet Elliot Kay

02:02 Speaker Awards Explained

03:37 Why Enter Awards

06:08 Judges Bureaus Credibility

08:27 Community Over Egos

10:08 How To Enter Deadline

12:17 What Gets You Booked Now

14:20 Elliots Speaking Origin Story

16:40 Humour Connection On Stage

20:07 Information Speakers Are Done

21:23 New Keynote Watch Me Go

23:33 Authenticity Beats Slickness

27:34 Speaker Mistakes Positioning

31:14 Building a Booking Pipeline

35:21 Advice for More Bookings

38:38 AI and Live Events Future

40:20 Where to Find Elliot

41:24 Wrap Up and Next Episode

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Taki Moore recently wrote that conviction is a shortcut to charisma. It's a clever line. It's also only half right, and the other half is quietly costing speakers bookings.

In this episode, John unpacks why confident, polished speakers still fail to convert rooms into clients, referrals, or rebookings. The issue isn't delivery. It's the gap between creating a feeling of value and creating actual change, and those two things are not the same.

What you'll take away:

• Why audiences stop looking for substance when the signals are right (and why that's a trap for strong speakers)
• The Toastmasters case study: total conviction, zero argument, room completely sold
• The Monday morning test: the one question that separates speakers who get applause from speakers who get booked
• How to tell whether you're performing or actually shifting the room
• Why "I loved it" is three words that feel like a win and mean almost nothing

If you're getting great reactions but not great outcomes, this episode is for you.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Conviction and Charisma

00:32 Mmmbop and Emotion

01:28 Toastmasters Wake Up

02:24 Applause Without Action

03:33 Design Monday Changes

04:30 Reframing Takis Quote

05:02 Next Steps and Outro

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Last week I bombed on stage at a standup comedy gig. Not catastrophically -- more in the way where you know before you walk onstage that you're not ready, and then it shows.

I want to talk about it, not for the catharsis, but because the cascade that led to that bad night is exactly the same cascade that leads to underprepared keynotes, flat training sessions, and presentations that don't land the way you knew they could.

What actually went wrong

I had months of notice. No excuse on preparation. But life did what life does, other work took priority, and I found myself on the day of the gig trying to write new material from scratch. When that didn't work, I retreated to older material I hadn't rehearsed. I took a set list onstage -- something I've never done -- and in that moment I knew it wasn't a practical tool. It was me confirming to myself what I already knew: I wasn't prepared.

My opening line died in complete silence. My body started sweating. My face went red. If you've ever watched a performer visibly unravel in real time, you know it's uncomfortable for everyone in the room.

The real lesson for professional speakers

The host blamed the crowd. I didn't take that excuse. The crowd was what it was, and I've handled tougher rooms. This was on me.

What stings most is that I already knew this about myself. When I'm learning music, nobody hears it until it sounds good. Not a rough version, nothing. I don't share works in progress. I should have applied that same standard here.

Performing under pressure doesn't reveal your talent. It reveals your preparation.

Two things I'm taking away

The first is obvious but worth saying: never go onstage unprepared. Sometimes you need a bad night to remember why the obvious rules exist.

The second is more interesting. I need to build my improv skills -- not to replace preparation, but to have a recovery mechanism when preparation wasn't enough. A flat opener shouldn't be able to take down an entire set. The ability to read a room, pivot, and bring an audience back with you is a separate skill from preparation, and one worth developing deliberately.

Preparation protects you. Improv saves you when preparation wasn't enough.

If you speak professionally, this episode is worth your time whether you're a keynote speaker, trainer, or coach. The principles of preparation, self-knowledge, and recovery apply equally whether you're on a comedy stage or a conference platform.

Related episodes: Better Speaking Won't Get You Booked, But This Will -- Clinton Young

CHAPTERS

00:00 Bombing the Gig

00:29 Last Minute Prep Spiral

01:35 Set List and Silence

03:22 The Real Lesson

04:44 Why It Matters to Speakers

05:56 Two Takeaways

06:19 Improv and Recovery

08:56 Winging It Is Earned

09:37 Do the Work and Go Again

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Most speakers are working on the wrong problem.

They're polishing their delivery, tweaking their slides, and hunting for better techniques. Meanwhile the gap between where they are and a well-paid, regularly booked speaking career has almost nothing to do with any of that.

Clinton Young is a keynote speaker and coach who has learned -- sometimes expensively -- what actually moves the needle. In this episode he hands over the exact referral script he paid $4,000 to learn. The script he used at a free gig in England that led directly to his first £10k speaking engagement.

It's in the episode. You can also grab the free PDF here: present-influence.kit.com/ec8e9e8259

What you'll learn in this episode

Why authenticity and vulnerability outperform polish almost every time, what world class actually means for a working speaker -- and why it's not Tony Robbins, the three things every athlete does that most speakers skip, why confidence is a skill you build rather than a trait you're born with, the four stages of learning and why stage three is where most speakers get stuck, how reps create the stage presence that tips and tricks never will, why improv is a spiritual practice and what it does for your adaptability on stage, how to handle mistakes, forgotten lines, and ringing phones without losing the room, why humour matters more than most speakers admit, the jab-jab-right-hook technique for opening any talk, why falling in love with the problem rather than your solution is the commercial shift most speakers need, and the elegant referral ask Clinton uses from every stage.

About Clinton Young

Clinton Young is a keynote speaker and coach. Find out more and access the resources he mentions at worldclassspeakersecrets.com.

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Most speakers say they want feedback. What they actually want is validation.

There's a significant difference -- and confusing the two is one of the most common reasons capable speakers plateau and stop growing. In this solo episode John Ball breaks down why most feedback fails, why the human brain is wired to turn critique into personal attack, and how to build a feedback loop that genuinely accelerates your development as a speaker.

With real-world examples drawn from stand-up comedy and professional speaking, this is a practical and honest look at one of the most misunderstood tools in a speaker's arsenal.

Get the free Fast Feedback Framework mentioned in the episode here: present-influence.kit.com/71c6c5dc43

What you'll learn in this episode

Why most feedback is too soft to be useful, how your brain converts feedback into a personal attack and what to do about it, the difference between performance feedback and personal judgment, how to filter feedback without dismissing it entirely, why applause is not a reliable indicator of growth, and how to build a feedback system that actually improves your speaking over time.

The Feedback Filter

When you receive feedback, ask three questions. Is there any truth in this? Is this about my goal or their preference? Can I test this without overreacting?

Key principles from the episode

Feedback isn't the problem -- poor feedback is. If you only accept feedback that feels good, you'll never hear what makes you better. Friends soften feedback, peers filter it, audiences don't explain it. Growth comes from truth, not reassurance. You can protect your ego or improve your performance -- you don't get both.

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What makes a speaker visible, memorable, and trusted in a crowded marketplace? It's rarely about being louder, stranger, or more active on social media. It's about being clearer, more consistent, and more intentional about how you show up.

Sapna Pieroux is a personal and business brand consultant, author of Let's Get Visible, and speaker who has spent her career helping entrepreneurs and business leaders clarify who they are and stand out for the right reasons. This is a rich, practical conversation about what brand clarity actually means for professional speakers -- and why most are getting it wrong.

What you'll learn in this episode

The difference between brand and branding and why confusing them undermines your positioning, why being authentic is necessary but not sufficient on its own, how to curate your professional persona without becoming fake or performative, why trust depends entirely on alignment between what you do, say, and show, how to study aspirational brands without simply copying them, why consistency matters more than novelty for long-term visibility, what to do when you feel invisible online, why 100 ideal connections beat a million empty followers every time, why bookers care about more than follower count, and why your audience needs to hear your core message far more times than you think before it lands.

About Sapna Pieroux

Sapna Pieroux is a personal and business brand consultant, speaker, and author of Let's Get Visible. Connect with Sapna on LinkedIn or visit brandvisions.ai.

Key principle from the episode

You are almost always more at risk of getting bored with your message before your audience does. Repetition is not laziness. It is part of clarity.

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The smarter you are, the easier it is to get stuck. Not because you lack ability, but because intelligence can quietly build a wall between you and the reality that would actually move you forward.

In this solo episode John Ball explores one of the most common and least talked about reasons experienced speakers plateau. It's not a skill gap. It's a distance-from-reality problem.

Drawing on 15 years of coaching speakers, John introduces the concept of psychological limiter loops -- self-reinforcing cycles that keep you feeling productive while quietly keeping you stuck. He unpacks how intelligence, identity, and the need to protect your status can prevent you from getting the feedback, visibility, and real-world exposure that would actually accelerate your growth.

What you'll learn in this episode

Why smart people overthink instead of executing, how psychological limiter loops work and why they feel like progress from the inside, why the hardest part of any speaker's journey challenges your identity rather than your skill, why potential doesn't pay the bills but bookings do, and five practical ways to break the loop and reconnect with reality.

The five ways to break the loop

Reconnect with reality, shorten the loop, lower the exposure threshold, knock the wall down, and act before certainty.

Resources mentioned

The New Comedy Bible by Judy Carter, and The Dip by Seth Godin.

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SPGFS - Hiro.fm

Becoming known will always make it easier to get booked and podcast guesting is one of the easiest ways to make that happen, when you have the right strategy.

The Strategic Speaking Business Audit

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What separates a forgettable speech from one people remember years later?

Rob Noel has written speeches for some of the most high-profile political figures in the US, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio and former CIA Director Mike Pompeo. He understands better than almost anyone what makes a speech land -- and what makes it disappear the moment the speaker leaves the stage.

Some of his insights are genuinely counterintuitive. One of Rob's most contrarian views is that sometimes the best speeches are never written at all. Many of the world's best speakers perform better when speaking naturally rather than reading from a script. But that does not mean preparation is optional. It means preparation has to support authentic delivery, not replace it.

What you'll learn in this episode

What Rob calls the thread of steel -- the single organising idea that runs through every great speech -- and why most speakers don't have one, why stories consistently outperform statistics in audience recall, how ancient rhetorical techniques like chiasmus still create memorable lines today, why the hidden skill of speechwriting is capturing someone else's voice rather than showing off your own, the speechwriting clichés to avoid, what makes a TEDx talk structurally different from other speeches, how influence and manipulation intersect in political communication, and why callbacks and catchphrases are more powerful than most speakers realise.

The thread of steel

Great speeches are not collections of ideas. They are one idea expressed in multiple ways. Famous examples include "I Have a Dream," "Yes We Can," and "Ask not what your country can do for you." Without a thread, even talented speakers drift into disconnected points audiences quickly forget.

Why stories beat statistics

Rob shares how a speech he worked on referenced Marco Rubio's father's keys jingling at the door late at night after work. Years later people still remembered that detail. Vivid sensory language activates imagination and emotion in ways data never can.

About Rob Noel

Rob Noel is a political speechwriter whose clients have included major figures in US political life. Connect with Rob to find out more about his work.

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SPGFS - Hiro.fm

Becoming known will always make it easier to get booked and podcast guesting is one of the easiest ways to make that happen, when you have the right strategy.

Jackson Ogunyemi has 25 years of speaking experience in the education sector. He has the experience, the message, and the stage presence. What he's missing is the business engine that consistently generates corporate bookings.

In this live coaching session John Ball works with Jackson to unpack some uncomfortable realities about the speaking industry -- and build a practical strategy for breaking into higher-paying corporate opportunities.

If you want to turn speaking into a real business rather than hoping to be discovered, this episode will show you exactly where to start.

What you'll learn in this episode

Why many speakers are relying on the wrong growth strategies, the reality of speaker bureaus and why they don't create demand for speakers who aren't already in demand, why visibility alone doesn't generate bookings, how to identify a profitable speaking niche worth pursuing, why sales teams could be one of the most powerful markets for speakers, how to use LinkedIn as a prospecting tool, the outreach message that actually gets responses, why persistence matters more than perfection in building a speaking pipeline, and how to build a simple speaking sales engine from scratch.

The key insight

Most speakers try to build an audience before they build a business. The real order is: build a sales engine first, get booked and paid, then grow your visibility on top of that momentum.

The five practical steps from this episode

Choose a clear hunting niche, build a list of companies in that niche, contact decision makers on LinkedIn with a simple opening question, track your outreach in a CRM, and follow up consistently. Even 30 to 60 minutes a day of prospecting can start generating real conversations and opportunities.

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Mentioned in this episode:

SPGFS - Hiro.fm

Becoming known will always make it easier to get booked and podcast guesting is one of the easiest ways to make that happen, when you have the right strategy.

The Strategic Speaking Business Audit

Take this quick quiz to find out where and why your speaking business is leaking opportunities.