Authors Peter Dale Scott and David Talbot join Mickey for a discussion of the now-popular phrase "deep state," 

and its implications. They also share their thoughts on the best way forward for the left in the Trump era.

Peter Dale Scott is a retired diplomat and prolific author on politics and history; among his books are "Deep Politics 

and the Death of JFK," and "Drugs, Oil and War." David Talbot is the founder of Salon.com, and now a columnist for 

the San Francisco Chronicle; his most recent book is "The Devil's Chessboard."