Mickey's guest for the full hour is media scholar Victor Pickard of the University of Pennsylvania.

They discuss Pickard's 2019 book, "Democracy Without Journalism?"  Pickard describes the dimensions

of recent years' precipitous drop in the employment of reporters, and its likely consequences for society.

He explains the historical roots of this new crisis, and offers remedies that center on building publicly-supported 

journalism institutions that aren't coupled to commercial values.