‘They call it trading steel for blood’. Welcome back to the 2025 season of The Cove Podcast. Our first episode this year is on Project Convergence.

Project Convergence is not a command post exercise, it is also not a training exercise. It is a large-scale experiment without the constraints of training levels that allows the US Military, its allies and Defence industry to have at it testing future concepts and the newest war fighting technology. Firing remote HIMARS with an Xbox controller, flying blood forward from a hospital to a wounded soldier with an unmanned drone and combatting large swarms of enemy drones, this is where technology meets future fighting.

Our guest this episode - LTCOL Tommy Gains - began his experimental journey at the US Marine Corps Warfighting Lab in Quantico. He is now the lead planner on Australia’s contribution to Project Convergence and has spent the last two years designing how the Australian Army leans into this experiment.

Project Convergence Capstone 5 will run in March 2025 on the west coast of the USA but also takes the experiment to the Pacific for the first time. Whether you get the privilege of taking part or whether you observe from afar as the experiment occurs, this is your chance to be a part of the cutting edge of Future Land Warfare.

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