Should pregnancy centers take Medicaid money? A public health expert says the fear that it kills your ability to pray with patients is flatly untrue, and she's got the receipts.

In this episode, Benjamin sits down with Shawn, a public health expert (master's in public health and health finance and policy) who helps pregnancy clinics become medically and legally bulletproof, and who is also the adoptive mother of Samuel, a medically complex son born with a hypoplastic right heart and given a 22% chance of survival. Shawn walks through Samuel's adoption story in full, then shifts into operational territory: whether billing Medicaid, Medicare, or private insurance actually restricts gospel-sharing (it doesn't, with some grant exceptions), whether centers should be sharing the gospel in every single appointment, and why she pushes back on the term "abortion pill reversal" even as she supports the underlying treatment. The conversation closes on a bigger strategic question for the movement: are pro-life organizations building a cause, or durable institutions built to survive political regime change?

Chapters:
 00:00 – Intro
 08:30 – The Baby They Wouldn't Give a Heart To
 16:23 – The Only Unvaccinated Transplant Child in the Nation
 08:00 – Take the Medicaid Money, You're Still a Free Clinic
 09:58 – Debunking the "No Government Money" Myth
 14:26 – Should You Share the Gospel in Every Appointment?
 24:36 – Why She Pushes Back on "Abortion Pill Reversal"
 35:35 – Are We Building a Cause, or Durable Institutions?

He was 7 years into a meth addiction before anyone connected it to the abortion he never agreed to. Sean Corcoran on fatherhood, forgiveness, and war.

Sean Corcoran survived 7 years of methamphetamine addiction, homelessness, and an overdose before a counselor finally asked him about the abortion he'd never processed. In this episode, Sean sits down with Benjamin Kraft to talk about what pregnancy centers get wrong when they treat fatherhood programs as a distraction from the "core mission," why a recent Gallup poll shows more men identify as pro-life than women, and why young liberal women ranked having children second to last out of 13 measures of success.

The conversation moves through Sean's own story of loss and recovery, into a hard look at the Theory of Constraints and why learning to say no is a leadership skill most nonprofit founders never develop, and lands on one of the sharpest exchanges of the series: do you want to be right, or do you want to end abortion?
If you lead a pregnancy center, sit on a board, or work anywhere in the pro-life movement, this one will change how you think about who you're actually trying to reach, and who you might be leaving out.

Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
5:22 Sean's abortion story
8:02 Addiction, homelessness, and the overdose that changed everything
28:53 The Theory of Constraints: why saying no is a pro-life strategy
33:30 Maker vs. manager
43:53 Is a fatherhood program a distraction from the core mission?
48:13 Villainizing men and third wave feminism
48:29 The poll: are men more pro-life than women?
49:45 Why young liberal women ranked having children dead last
55:43 "We sent our women off to fight a war while we wrote checks"
1:00:30 The extraordinary ordinary man
1:25:44 Do you want to be right, or do you want to end abortion?

Jor-El Godsey, president of Heartbeat International, on why the pregnancy help movement is facing a "Blockbuster vs. Netflix" moment — and how telecare, faster response, and smarter marketing can keep centers from being left behind.

In this episode of Pro Life Unfiltered, host Benjamin Kraft sits down with Jor-El Godsey — president of Heartbeat International, which oversees the Abortion Pill Rescue Network and Option Line — for a candid conversation about the future of pregnancy centers in the age of the mail-order abortion pill. Godsey explains why the abortion industry has "flanked" the brick-and-mortar pregnancy center model by making chemical abortion frictionless and available around the clock, and why pregnancy help has to meet women virtually, beyond business hours, to keep up.

From there, Benjamin and Jor-El dig into the questions pro-life leaders are actually wrestling with: the difference between a "life decision" and a "life save," and the ambiguity in how centers report those numbers to donors; whether telecare requires a nurse or simply the right counselor; why abortion pill use peaks Thursday through Saturday; where a center with a limited budget should spend its marketing dollars; and the deeper divide over equal protection laws. Godsey makes his case that the pro-life movement isn't fragmented — it's specialized — and reflects on 35 years of pregnancy help work without going jaded.

A tactical, occasionally provocative conversation for executive directors, board members, and anyone building the pregnancy help movement.

CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro: Jor-El Godsey & Heartbeat International
00:47 The "Blockbuster vs. Netflix" moment for pregnancy centers
05:31 Meeting her beyond brick-and-mortar: the case for telecare
09:32 Why abortion pill use peaks Thursday–Saturday
10:44 Nurse or best counselor? Staffing telecare appointments
13:09 How frictionless the abortion pill has become
16:31 Identity crisis: intervention centers vs. support centers
22:03 Life decision vs. life save: defining the terms honestly
28:38 Where limited marketing dollars should actually go
36:35 Misoprostol-only abortions and the limits of the law
39:59 "Not fragmented, but specialized": division & equal protection
50:08 35 years in: lives, lineage, and not going jaded

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ABOUT THE GUEST
Jor-El Godsey is president of Heartbeat International, the largest network of pregnancy help organizations in the world, which operates the Abortion Pill Rescue Network and Option Line.
Heartbeat International: https://www.heartbeatinternational.org/
Abortion Pill Rescue Network: https://abortionpillreversal.com/
Option Line: https://optionline.org/

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